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Greens arification

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  1. Douglas Davis
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    11/27/2012 8:11 AM
    Supt at a western Chicago Suburb course and the GM tells me he's disappointed at the speed in which the greens have healed from core arification. I told him that is expected on sand greens when you wait until Oct.

    Anyway, he would rather I deep-tine in the spring and not pull a core at all ever. I tried to explain black layer and such and it sorta fell on deaf ears. I like to core these greens with fresh material once a yr, close-spaced 1/2" coring with heavy topdressing filling every hole.

    Can't go earlier because of high school, and the ladies league just wouldn't have it until they are done which is late too. Thoughts???



  2. Patrick Quinlan
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    11/27/2012 8:11 AM
    I would have an ISTRC test done on a few greens right now and then use those recommendation to help your argument. If the GM still won't let you pull cores you can re-test the greens next season to show him/her how the greens are building OM due to lack of core aeration. The testing will also give you a written document stating the GM's choice of aeration is at fault not yours.



  3. Jennings Dustin T
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    11/27/2012 12:11 PM
    maybe using smaller tines (3/8") would allow it to heal faster.



  4. Clay Putnam
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    11/27/2012 12:11 PM
    Douglas Davis said: Supt at a western Chicago Suburb course and the GM tells me he's disappointed at the speed in which the greens have healed from core arification. I told him that is expected on sand greens when you wait until Oct.

    Anyway, he would rather I deep-tine in the spring and not pull a core at all ever. I tried to explain black layer and such and it sorta fell on deaf ears. I like to core these greens with fresh material once a yr, close-spaced 1/2" coring with heavy topdressing filling every hole.

    Can't go earlier because of high school, and the ladies league just wouldn't have it until they are done which is late too. Thoughts???


    This makes absolutely no sense. The GM is upset that the holes from aerifaction do not heal fast enough. Yet the same GM wants you to poke more holes in the greens via aerificaiton albeit solid tine. Hollow tine or solid tine have no bearing on the topic. Both create holes. The GM is, obviously, a confused person on this topic. However, the GM knows what he/she wants, the holes to close faster. Have you tried reasoning with the man/women to get the holes to close faster? Can you:

    - Use smaller times?
    - Increase fertility prior to and just after aerification?
    - Increase quantity of sand after aerification to assure the holes are completely filled?
    - Move the aeirificaiton date up to assure better growing conditions thus allowing the holes to close sooner?

    Patrick's ISTRC suggestion is a great one. ISTRC can provide real data to back up discussion.



  5. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    11/27/2012 2:11 PM
    #1. Get it in writing. Email, whatever but hold on to it, you may need it in a lawsuit later.
    #2. Bring in an outside source who has more credibility than you apparently do and get a written report from them regarding the new agronomic practices that are being forced upon you. I heartily recommend the USGA, they may not be better than ISTRIC, but everybody knows who they are.

    Good luck, man. It'll probably be ok for a year or two, but there will be a price which will have to ultimately be payed. There's a lot of talk out there right now coming from respected University sources who claim that you don't need to pull a core, but none of those guys jobs are on the line if their techniques fail.

    Regards,

    Steve



  6. Verdun Scott M
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    11/28/2012 8:11 AM
    I think Steve hit the nail on the head, if you cut back on basic agronomic practices there will be long term negative impacts. Currently I'm in my third year at a club that went 7+ years only pulling 3/8" cores once/year and that was the only time the greens were topdressed. I've been working like crazy to get rid of 1"-1.25" layering. Cover your rear end with documentation of these conversations, after a face to face meeting send an email just saying, "Dear Mr. GM, I just wanted to recap our conversation from earlier where we talked about X, Y, Z. I will do some research and update you with what I find out."

    Good luck, lean on area colleagues as well to see what the practices are at their clubs and compare them with your practices.



  7. James Smith
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    112 posts
    11/28/2012 2:11 PM
    Tell him to feel lucky, I have to aerifye with cores 4 times per year. Timing is everything though. if it is already cold do you have tarps that might help raise the temps? if not maybe buying them would be a good idea.

    The problem with giving in is that they will fill like they are right for the two to three years it takes to catch up and bite you in the rear and then it will be your fault because they do great for the last two or three years, must be the Superintendent.



  8. David Brandenburg
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    3 posts
    11/28/2012 7:11 PM
    We are a muni a hour north of Fond du Lac and do not core every year but when we do it is in late July or early Aug depending on outings. The greens heal fast and we have our entire staff to help with the job.

    We avoid the labor day period because leagues are having finals and the staff is gone to college. When we used to wait until Oct they greens would take forever to heal.

    Works for us.



  9. Kyle Fick
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    4 posts
    11/29/2012 8:11 AM
    Similarily to David in Wisconsin, we've dropped core aerification to once a year. Unlike him, we aren't able to do it in mid to late summer as would be very nice for those exact reasons of healing time. Rather, the approach has been to get them done pre-memorial day as golfers are coming out of there hibernation as it seems. I get the feeling people are happy to be out golfing rather than cooped up inside, and they are tuning their games still at this point in the north. Less conflict.

    I used to wait till late September, early October as well, and without covers and consistant snow cover either, we had a lot of desication as the plants were not filling in lateraly. Rather in the fall, I've gone to using a bayonet tine to create some openings, but no voids in the turf if possible.

    Just talking with a friend of mine the other day, its a crappy conondrum this aerification. Whether your cause is relieving compaction, dealing with high organics, or pushups, etc., there isn't a more beneficial practice in my mind you can do than create air exchange and improve drainage, so on and so on. You all know the benefits, and why you need the process. THe problem will always be this misconception of the other half of the business feeling your revenue is in jeapordy for 10 days that will never be caught up. But, like others have said, what are you doing to your property long term by skipping the most basic of agrinomical practices. We know that the low heights of cut, and high amounts of inputs causes this buildup of organic tissue, so on and so on. Over time, this won't be a good scenario, and you'll loose more revenue for a spongy, uneven putting surface reputation than you will a few days of slower than normal greens.

    My opinions and practices of course. What works for me may not for you.



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