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  1. Edward Doda
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    5/28/2012 9:05 AM
    Like to get an idea on how many guys paint their cups everyday? We do special events and club c's..We have a couple of the whiteners currently available and they all seem to be messy and we find it easier for an extra guy to do it...Larry, one of my members played your place and they were done; he was told on a daily basis..what do you use? I am the first to admit it looks great but does take extra time at an awkward time of the day..early am...

    ed doda barrie cc



  2. Melvin Waldron
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    5/28/2012 10:05 AM
    We are a municipal course and we never do it. Even for the few high school tournaments and ladies events that we host. For so few events, we are better off investing in other things to make golfers happy.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. Kennedy David F
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    5/28/2012 10:05 AM
    We do it daily. I resisted for a season but I caved! It's not bad, actually. The guys are good at it now and it doesn't really take much extra time. Our members like it a lot.
    I find the "Hole in White' paint expensive.



  4. Baker Daniel
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    5/28/2012 10:05 AM
    I have done it several ways. First we painted on the weekends only. Then we painted every day. Now I paint for Member Guest and Club Championship and thats it.

    Complaints = 0



  5. Hardy Andrew
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    5/28/2012 10:05 AM
    Ed,

    We do it for Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Use the E-ZEE by Standard. Carry a rag to wipe of the excess every couple of holes. We have tried them all and this one is by far the best one. Only affects cup changing time by minutes. Cups must be set at the perfect height to avoid dirt rim at top or over spray on turf around the cup. Its a great touch and cost/day is m minimal.



  6. Keith Lamb
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    5/28/2012 12:05 PM
    Never. Waste of money. Another practice done for T.V. tournament play that found it's way to everyday golf.



  7. Steven Huffstutler
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    5/28/2012 1:05 PM
    At the insistence of a green committee Chairman, I agreed to a trial last year. We painted the cups and then measured how far back we could walk from the cup before we could no longer see the painted rim which turned out to be 10 feet. We then watched his foursome on a par 3 consistently hit the ball 15 yards short of the green, chip to within 10 feet, walk over and pull the flag and then miss every putt until they got it within 3 1/2 feet. My question then was that if you can't see the cup which has a large yellow stick with a flag on it well enough to roll it in until you are within 4' of the hole, what purpose does the white paint serve? It added 40 minutes of work to the setup time that had to be picked up by someone since, God forbid we tee off a little later. Nevertheless, he insisted that he wanted it that we because it looked "classier". The rest of the committee finally voted not to do this as it was stupid. Stupidity tends to come around from time to time, though, so I didn't throw the hole in white tools away.



  8. Larry Allan
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    5/28/2012 1:05 PM
    Sorry Ed, I'm late
    Lenny got us one from some guy in London who manufactures them. It actually has a bearing in it so its smooth and fast.
    Phone OTEC and ask them if they still carry the yellow hole painter...it uses hole in one paint cans but way better than anything else



  9. Steven Huffstutler
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    5/28/2012 2:05 PM
    Larry Allan said: Sorry Ed, I'm late
    Lenny got us one from some guy in London who manufactures them. It actually has a bearing in it so its smooth and fast.
    Phone OTEC and ask them if they still carry the yellow hole painter...it uses hole in one paint cans but way better than anything else



    I just knew you were the one screwing it up for the rest of us.



  10. Edward Doda
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    5/28/2012 5:05 PM
    Larry now I know, I have two whiteners and the one Lenny suggested was brought to my attention by my president..Lots of leg work..although he is a good guy and excellent golfer..I bought it and played with it for a while and it works well. Fairly fast and not nearly as messy as the other two I have but still an extra step. The inventor is a retired engineer from London and he put a lot of thought into it.

    So Wednesday I will make a video of our lovely backshop manager using said tool..it is fast and needs not very much cleaning..but still takes time to put away after use..Expensive at $275 Can and uses "Hole in One" paint.

    I was just looking for input on how many paint cups and how long it takes...thanks and I'll get vid on Wednesday..



  11. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    5/28/2012 5:05 PM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: At the insistence of a green committee Chairman, I agreed to a trial last year. We painted the cups and then measured how far back we could walk from the cup before we could no longer see the painted rim which turned out to be 10 feet. We then watched his foursome on a par 3 consistently hit the ball 15 yards short of the green, chip to within 10 feet, walk over and pull the flag and then miss every putt until they got it within 3 1/2 feet. My question then was that if you can't see the cup which has a large yellow stick with a flag on it well enough to roll it in until you are within 4' of the hole, what purpose does the white paint serve? It added 40 minutes of work to the setup time that had to be picked up by someone since, God forbid we tee off a little later. Nevertheless, he insisted that he wanted it that we because it looked "classier". The rest of the committee finally voted not to do this as it was stupid. Stupidity tends to come around from time to time, though, so I didn't throw the hole in white tools away.


    I would agree that painting every day would be stupid. All of this would be unnecessary if you purchased laser guided golf balls, along with a drone that could hover above the target and keep that laser targeting the hole position.

    Raytheon has developed an AARP golf package that can get the ball within one meter of the target, for $12 million per package if bought in bulk. Couple that with a large ball bearing within the golf ball, a heavily magnetized flag stick, and you would have some very happy retirees. How do you think Kim Jong-il nailed eighteen holes-in-one on his very first round of golf? Talent?

    Please don't confuse this with their Paveway system, which could possibly cause some damage to the putting surface.

    A huge savings in paint alone, not to mention the cost of rangefinders. Just my 1.2 billion cents.



  12. Steven Huffstutler
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    5/28/2012 6:05 PM
    Ok, Wallace....first thing....no sarcasm allowed. Second thing, speak to us Americans in feet, not meters, the Canadians know how to convert.



  13. Patrick Reinhardt
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    5/29/2012 7:05 AM
    It only adds about 10 minutes to the cup changing time, and we figured up a couple of years ago that it cost us between $500 and $600 to paint cups every day on both the course and the practice greens. From a visibility stand point, it makes a marginal difference. However, it adds a "finished" look to the cup, and when combined with a sharp cup cutter (use the Foley United Hole Cuttter Sharpener every day), you get the really clean look.



  14. Larry Allan
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    5/29/2012 11:05 AM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:
    Larry Allan said: Sorry Ed, I'm late
    Lenny got us one from some guy in London who manufactures them. It actually has a bearing in it so its smooth and fast.
    Phone OTEC and ask them if they still carry the yellow hole painter...it uses hole in one paint cans but way better than anything else



    I just knew you were the one screwing it up for the rest of us.

    I hate doing it but I am now an assistant superintendent...to my GM

    Hey, try calling Mister Wallace and listening to the wango tango operator telling you the call can't go through...At least, I assume that's what see is saying.... because the call doesn't go through



  15. Wydra David A
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    5/29/2012 2:05 PM
    Have you seen the target liners? We use them every day except for our big tournaments; for those we use Hole-in-White. I like the liners because they help maintain the integrity of the lip (apparently some of our members have big fat hands and can't seem to get their ball out of the cup without ramming their knuckles into the lip), and also the liners help hold moisture there, preventing the grass at the lip from drying out too much. A couple of our members think they're "cheezy". I think they work pretty well. The only drawback is that they are a bit spendy.
    Cheers
    Dave Wydra
    Awbrey Glen Golf Club
    Bend, OR



  16. Melvin Waldron
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    5/29/2012 3:05 PM
    I used the target liners one year, had problems with the cup cutters making sure to get them down where they needed to be. Also heard a couple of complaints about balls bouncing off them. I did like them on our practice green for the reason you mentioned about the lips drying out. We were changing cups every day so that wasn't an issue for us out on the course. I did learn something that summer, don't put entry level kids on cup changing and don't switch daily, I could never figure who to chew out, ended up getting on myself for being a dummy.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  17. Steven Huffstutler
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    5/29/2012 5:05 PM
    Larry Allan said:
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:
    Larry Allan said: Sorry Ed, I'm late
    Lenny got us one from some guy in London who manufactures them. It actually has a bearing in it so its smooth and fast.
    Phone OTEC and ask them if they still carry the yellow hole painter...it uses hole in one paint cans but way better than anything else



    I just knew you were the one screwing it up for the rest of us.

    I hate doing it but I am now an assistant superintendent...to my GM

    Hey, try calling Mister Wallace and listening to the wango tango operator telling you the call can't go through...At least, I assume that's what see is saying.... because the call doesn't go through


    I just got off the phone with him, he did not disclose his location but I think he's in a communist country.



  18. Melvin Waldron
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    5/29/2012 6:05 PM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:
    Larry Allan said:
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:
    Larry Allan said: Sorry Ed, I'm late
    Lenny got us one from some guy in London who manufactures them. It actually has a bearing in it so its smooth and fast.
    Phone OTEC and ask them if they still carry the yellow hole painter...it uses hole in one paint cans but way better than anything else



    I just knew you were the one screwing it up for the rest of us.

    I hate doing it but I am now an assistant superintendent...to my GM

    Hey, try calling Mister Wallace and listening to the wango tango operator telling you the call can't go through...At least, I assume that's what see is saying.... because the call doesn't go through


    I just got off the phone with him, he did not disclose his location but I think he's in a communist country.


    You mean he is in DC? Oh wait that is a socialist area.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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