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1. Chad Thummel

   

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   10/18/2011 9:10 AM

   We are in the process of talking with a company that is going to install a 48" water line through our golf course. I am trying to collect all the information I will need to speak to them about damages and loss of revenue through out this process. I will list what I have come up with if anyone can help as to what else I should include as I hope some other have been through this as well. I know there is a formula to place a value on a mature tree, but I have not had any success in finding one, if anyone could help me out there.
   
   Cart and green fee revenue over the last year.
   Membership revenue over the last year.
   Irrigation map providing the water lines and sprinklers that will be in the area covered.
   Loss of turf grass, replacement cost of grass and install.
   Tree assessment, loss and replacement.
   
   If anyone has anything else to add I would greatly appreciate it.
   Thanks in advance.
   
   Chad Thummel
   Superintendent
   Ward County Golf Course
   Monahans, Tx
   432-448-4686

   
   
   
   
2. Wahlin Scott B

   
   10/18/2011 10:10 AM

   There was a man who gave an excellent seminar every year at Florida Gateway College about assessing the value of mature trees. I am sure John Piersol (386.754.4225) can put you in touch with this man. As far as stopping play goes, that is a rough one to anticipate. I think golfers are creatures of habit. If they get used to not coming to your place, that could last for a while. I would build into the cost specials to bring the people back.

   
   
   
   
3. Larned Fred

   
   10/18/2011 12:10 PM

   grubby said: We are in the process of talking with a company that is going to install a 48" water line through our golf course. I am trying to collect all the information I will need to speak to them about damages and loss of revenue through out this process. I will list what I have come up with if anyone can help as to what else I should include as I hope some other have been through this as well. I know there is a formula to place a value on a mature tree, but I have not had any success in finding one, if anyone could help me out there.
   
   Cart and green fee revenue over the last year.
   Membership revenue over the last year.
   Irrigation map providing the water lines and sprinklers that will be in the area covered.
   Loss of turf grass, replacement cost of grass and install.
   Tree assessment, loss and replacement.
   
   If anyone has anything else to add I would greatly appreciate it.
   Thanks in advance.
   
   Chad Thummel
   Superintendent
   Ward County Golf Course
   Monahans, Tx
   432-448-4686

   
   
   Chad I will ask our city forester if she has anything like this. I will get back with you probably tomorrow with an answer. Or send me your contact info and that way I can just call you with the info my e-mail is fred.larned@fortworthgov.org

   
   
   
   
4. Smith Kerry L

   
   10/18/2011 1:10 PM

   Also be aware that you will have settling of the ditch line especially if they do not use the Proctor Test and make sure they compact it back to the natural compation of surrounding soil. The ditch should be packed back in 6" "lifts" and Proctor tested randomly during the project. I would also put is a clause that x amount of money be put aside to handle this or that the contractor be responsible for unreasonable settling for one year. We did a 14" line for potable water several years ago and the M.U.D. paid us 5000.00 to cover future settling. We also kept the entire course in play by being a part or the routing process and only had to turn one hole to a par three for a couple of days. The line was on 8 holes and for the most part was in the roughs near the property line. All roads were bored as was one of our ponds and two creeks.

   
   
   
   
5. Jack Tripp

   

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   10/18/2011 8:10 PM

   Are you selling them the land where the water line goes or just providing an easement. The easement cost should be substantial. What about future access for repairs or replacement. How do they get access for repairs. If you provide them an easement can they add other lines within the easement in future?
   
   
   Jack Tripp
   La Crosse Country Club

   
   
   
   
6. Kenneth Ingram

   

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   10/19/2011 6:10 AM

   Chad- As others have stated there are alot of legal issues involved. Are you granting an easement or is this hostile (emminent domain)? If your owners are granting an easement there will be a settlement (lump sum) which sounds like what you are involved with. You might consider hiring a consulting arborist or a professional plant appraiser. Experts talk about a "Cost Approach" where you simply repair damages to trees and/or replace the plants removed if they are relatively small. For larger plants there is a formula which factors the size, species, condition, and location. They normally calculate a price per inch, for instance if a 4" Oak costs $400 it is $100/inch. Then a 12" tree is worth $1200, then a species factor, condition, and location. I would give anything on a golf course a 100% value. This ISA link may help http://www.treesaregood.com/treecare/tree_values.aspx.
   There are "Income Approaches" which is green fees, etc. and "Market Approaches" which involve real estate appraisers. Good luck. Kenneth Ingram, UMD.

   
   
   
   
7. T Storie

   

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   10/19/2011 9:10 AM

   I cringe at the site of seeing utility contractors now. Keep a close eye on them especially when they are crossing your sprinkler and drainage lines. At first they won't think its any big deal then after 2 or 3 of their repairs fail and they come to realize what kind of pressure you are working with they will cry uncle. They have also never heard of direct bury splice kits and believe electrical tape is just as good

   
   
   
   
8. Mark Claburn

   

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   10/19/2011 10:10 AM

   Chad
   Is this line going on an existing easement from TXU to Odessa? If so you might not be able to get much for the trees unless they are trying to expand a 20' easement to 40 or 60' for construction puposes. As stated above the finish out and compaction of the trench is pretty vital-I would also make sure to spec a specific amount of topsoil or conserve what they pull out.I had a line project go through in Georgia that still had issues a year after completion, we finally had to get a golf course finisher out to make it right. Charge for each day of interruption as if you were at the max possible play for the day. The county ( or another municipality ) should have really tight specs on the level of compaction needed.
   
   good luck
   
   Mark Claburn
   Arlington, Texas

   
   
   
   
9. Christian Pekarek

   

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   10/19/2011 11:10 AM

   Hi Chad,
   
   We had a 6' diameter concrete storm sewer pipe installed across our course. We insisted the contract include the hiring of a golf course architect to approve the plans and oversee the work. We also had it specified that all restoration work be performed by a qualified golf course builder approved by the golf course architect. Everything turned out well since we had qualified people putting things back together.
   
   Chris Pekarek
   Village Links of Glen Ellyn
   Glen Ellyn, Illinois

   
   
   
   
10. Chad Thummel

    

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    10/28/2011 10:10 AM

    Thank you to everyone, all suggestions were used when talking with the company, as of right now the recommendation is to re-route the line around the golf course. They were not thinking of the loss of revenue, future loss of revenue and the costs associated with replacement of rebuilding 3 greens and replacing all the sod in the areas they were going to tear up. So we hope their board will listen and go around us.
    
    Thank you.
    
    Chad Thummel