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Articles on succesfully sodding a bentgrass green

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  1. Larry Allan
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    8/2/2013 4:08 AM
    Just wondering if anyone can link me to some good articles on successfully sodding a bentgrass green. I know there are success stories out there but it seems I have seen more absolute failures than successes.
    Tees and fairways work flawlessly but for some reason greens seem to be much more of a challenge

    Thanks in advance



  2. Clay Putnam
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    8/2/2013 10:08 AM
    Red,

    The only success I have had sodding a green is to lay the sod, roll, aerify, top dress, roll, aerify, top dress and repeat.

    How's that for an article?



  3. Thomas Brown
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    8/2/2013 10:08 AM
    Hey Red,

    I learned first hand what didn't work this year on some patch work: strip sod, lay sod, roll sod and treat sod like the rest of the green.

    I like Clay's formula.

    Tom



  4. Patrick Finlen
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    8/2/2013 12:08 PM
    Larry,

    We have sodded over forty greens in the last four years. In all cases, the greens were new construction utilizing USGA green specifications. The sod was grown three hundred miles away not the exact same sand, but similar in particle size. We have opened greens as early as four weeks after sodding and have not seen any problems. We do have weather conditions that allow us to sod any month of year without any extreme highs or lows. Greens were rolled the day of sodding and aerated on a monthly basis with 1/4" solid tines.
    In both of our renovations it made sense to sod all of the greens from a financial standpoint rather than waiting another three months to open had we seeded. Several articles were written about our process and if needed I can get them to you.
    I did sod a green in Kansas City in 1994. In that case the green was stripped, an amendment was tilled in and the green was sodded in late March. The green opened in May and performed very well.

    Pat Finlen
    The Olympic Club
    San Francisco, CA



  5. Larry Allan
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    8/2/2013 4:08 PM
    Patrick Finlen, CGCS said: Larry,

    We have sodded over forty greens in the last four years. In all cases, the greens were new construction utilizing USGA green specifications. The sod was grown three hundred miles away not the exact same sand, but similar in particle size. We have opened greens as early as four weeks after sodding and have not seen any problems. We do have weather conditions that allow us to sod any month of year without any extreme highs or lows. Greens were rolled the day of sodding and aerated on a monthly basis with 1/4" solid tines.
    In both of our renovations it made sense to sod all of the greens from a financial standpoint rather than waiting another three months to open had we seeded. Several articles were written about our process and if needed I can get them to you.
    I did sod a green in Kansas City in 1994. In that case the green was stripped, an amendment was tilled in and the green was sodded in late March. The green opened in May and performed very well.

    Pat Finlen
    The Olympic Club
    San Francisco, CA

    Hey Pat I would love it if you could send anything that you have on the process.

    Larry@meadowbrookgolf.net

    I know Riviera is not exactly in San Fransisco, but didn't they try to resod a number of years ago and had some major issues? I can't think when that was but I remember it from a major, I think.

    PS Kevin if you are reading this, my emails to you are being returned as undeliverable (you don't exist)



  6. Larry Allan
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    8/2/2013 4:08 PM
    :oops:



  7. Kevin Clunis
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    8/4/2013 9:08 AM
    I do exist, really I do. Electronic gremlins lurking outside the glacier behind my shop. We rebuilt 4 greens in Oct-Nov and re-laid the sod. No growth until this spring. Oh btw, 154 days of snow/ice cover. The sodded greens were actually better coming out of winter, go figure. Anyway, lesson 1, water. Lesson 2, water. Lesson 3, water. When you get that down, the sod will grow despite what you do or forget to do. The course opened April 27 and 2 of the 4 greens were playable by May 25. A third one opened June 1 and the last one June 7. They were all grown in at .250" with weekly topdressings and 2 aerifications so far. HOC is down to .160 and was actually raised higher a few weeks back when some high humidity hit and scalping occurred. I concur with everyone else, TD, aerify, roll, and fertilize regularly. I skipped any growth regulators until last week so I could grow the turf at my speed. The goal is to get to .140 soon but I have no timetable. No pressure from anyone as I am the DOG too.



  8. Justin VanLanduit
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    8/5/2013 6:08 AM
    Larry,

    We just rebuilt and sodded our Putting Green this spring. Work continues on it as I viewed it as a full season work in progress as I didn't want to push too hard too fast and end up resodding come fall. I've gotten pressure from a few board members but a great Greens Committee that has told me to take the time I need to ensure we have a healthy, usable putting green for numerous years.

    Unfortunately for us it was kind of a under the gun project so not much planning was able to be done prior. If I had the chance I would have tried to contract a sod producer to grow the sod for me to my specs, instead the sod we received although on a good medium was long and thatchy. As the sod was being laid we used plywood to walk on, once that row was laid down we pulled a hand roller over to try and get good root to soil contact. The next few days we watered, and watered, and watered. Within about 4-5 days we were starting to get some good root penetration so we once again laid boards to walk on and walk rolled again.
    About a week in we began topdressing heavy(by hand) then dragging the sand in by having 2 guys pull the coco mat to eliminate any equipment on the green. 10 days in we mowed then topdressed again and continued this process on an every 2-3 day schedule, slowly bringing height down. 21 days in we used our ProCore with solid 1/2" tines and went at 2" spacing only 2" down poking some holes and working a heavy topdressing into the thatch layer, this helped firm things up a bit more allowing us to then start getting more aggressive with equipment use as well as mowing heights. Once the green healed from aerification we used groomers to start to try and clean up runners as well as remove a little bit a thatch.
    We've done numerous aerification types, like a said 1/2" solids, 1/4" hollows, and needle tines. Aerification is the most vital I feel, just to be sure to break through that "sod layer". Sod we received was about .5", we are now at .190". I'm sure I could have pushed harder but since I had the backing I wasn't going to. I do get comments from people about the putting green not being the same speed as the greens on the course but taking a little time to explain to them what we are dealing with and what we are trying to prevent they understand. Today we have roots about 7-8" down and now with cooler temps in the area we will push more so that once aerification is here the Tuesday after labor day we are basically at greens height and then next season we start off equal.

    Best of Luck,

    Justin



  9. Schlagetter David B
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    8/5/2013 7:08 AM
    I can't suggest any articles for you.

    After sodding several greens and seeding hundreds. The end result is sodding requires much more long term distruption to play than taking the time to seed and establish seed. In my opinion.

    The constant aerficiation, babysitting, rolling, topdressing, ugh. And it can take several years before the sodded green performs that same as existing greens when it's one green of many.

    I won't do it again.

    Dave Schlagetter
    Indian Hill Club
    Winnetka, IL



  10. Larry Allan
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    8/5/2013 7:08 AM
    David Schlagetter said: I can't suggest any articles for you.

    After sodding several greens and seeding hundreds. The end result is sodding requires much more long term distruption to play than taking the time to seed and establish seed. In my opinion.

    The constant aerficiation, babysitting, rolling, topdressing, ugh. And it can take several years before the sodded green performs that same as existing greens when it's one green of many.

    I won't do it again.

    Dave Schlagetter
    Indian Hill Club
    Winnetka, IL

    I agree, I would much prefer to seed but I'm sick of looking at it in it's current shape and just want make it better until we completely rebuild. I have a young nursery of A4 that will be ready late fall, grown on the same mix. I just need to add some mix to the greens and regrade to get rid of the bird baths. It has XGD drainage but the surface is none existant



  11. Patrick Finlen
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    8/5/2013 4:08 PM
    Larry,
    Riviera was the 1995 PGA Championship. The greens were sodded with Cato/Crenshaw a year or two before the Championship.
    Paul Latshaw was brought in after that to prepare the course for the U.S. Senior Open in 1998.

    Pat



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