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  1. Larry Allan
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    6/3/2017 6:06 AM
    Everybody's in except Syria, Nicaragua and the US. Strange bed fellows to be sure. That is actually less support than the Iraqi war had by a long shot. The outcome in Iraq was quite the disaster. I wonder what the outcome of leaving the Paris Accord will be?

    I guess Trump has to be congratulated for following through on a election promise but I wonder if it was rationally thought out in the long term.

    Best of luck



  2. Kevin Fateley
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    6/3/2017 8:06 AM
    "Do as I do, not as you want me to do" A distortion of the old quote: "Do as I say, not as I do."
    We have a Coal Fired Plant east of us here in Manhattan Ks. When I was a assistant at Manhattan Country Club in the late 80's I could see the brown haze emitting from the towers. From our hill top view I could see it stretch for miles! I attended a meeting at that same plant this past winter. Where crews worked for a couple of years, 2 shifts a day, to install 3 scrubbers at a cost of reportedly around $500,000,000. Now there is no brown haze and my electric bills reflect the costs which I am OK with the added expense. Before my country enters into this accord I would like to see all countries Coal Fired Plants do the same. We have the some of the strictest emission standards in the world. Let the other countries catch up and pay for it and then start a new accord.



  3. Clay Putnam
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    6/3/2017 8:06 PM
    Schaam = success. Irrational rationale.



  4. Stephen Okula
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    6/3/2017 11:06 PM
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no legally binding clauses in the Accord, it's a simple gesture of goodwill.
    We can't have that!

    And Nicaragua and Syria are doing fine without the Paris Accord. They don't need anybody telling them how to run their business. They put their countries first, and it's time we did the same.

    According to Transparency International, out of 176 countries on the Corruption Perception Index, Nicaragua is ranked 145th and Syria 173rd. Maybe that's just a coincidence, but it's something to think about.

    https://www.transparency.org/news/featu ... index_2016



  5. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    6/5/2017 9:06 AM
    Kevin Fateley said: "Do as I do, not as you want me to do" A distortion of the old quote: "Do as I say, not as I do."
    We have a Coal Fired Plant east of us here in Manhattan Ks. When I was a assistant at Manhattan Country Club in the late 80's I could see the brown haze emitting from the towers. From our hill top view I could see it stretch for miles! I attended a meeting at that same plant this past winter. Where crews worked for a couple of years, 2 shifts a day, to install 3 scrubbers at a cost of reportedly around $500,000,000. Now there is no brown haze and my electric bills reflect the costs which I am OK with the added expense. Before my country enters into this accord I would like to see all countries Coal Fired Plants do the same. We have the some of the strictest emission standards in the world. Let the other countries catch up and pay for it and then start a new accord.


    I agree with your assessment, I'm old enough to remember the smog that used to engulf LA, rivers burning and other environmental atrocities, from the late 60's early 70's, where it was so bad that finally a Republican (Nixon) created the EPA.

    I think that is where we need to take advantage of our technology and sell it to India and China (and others) to help scrub their coal plants. I wonder by dropping out of the agreement, does this hurts our chances to sell our technology to other countries in the agreement? Or for those poor countries, the money we put into the agreement could have been used by those poor countries to buy our technology, a round about way of government support for our companies?

    More I guess to debate, but now the President is saying (I think because of the backlash from so many citizens) is so he can renegotiate the treaty? Renegotiate something that we set our own parameters to? So we negotiate with ourselves?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  6. Ronald Conard
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    4 posts
    6/5/2017 1:06 PM
    As an American to the rest of the world. "I fart in your general direction."



  7. Christopher Thuer
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    101 posts
    6/5/2017 4:06 PM
    "Your Mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberry".

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

  8. Brian Nettz
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    6/6/2017 8:06 AM
    Larry Allan said:
    but I wonder if it was rationally thought out in the long term.
    Best of luck


    Pretty sure nothing is rationally thought out in Washington these days, Larry.

    Brian Nettz
    San Francisco
    Presidio GC



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