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  1. Ronald Kirkman
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    40 posts
    9/27/2017 9:09 PM
    GREETINGS;

    No argument here - just interested what you would do or your thoughts on this matter. So, I will go first.

    No fly over by military planes. No military on field, before - during - half time - end of game.

    No American flag present any where in stadium. No National Anthem - God Bless America or any other song. You want to display another flag other than the American Flag be my guest.

    All police removed from stadium. - Only stadium security will be used. - Medical Staff and Ambulance will be present at stadium.

    I loved watching football but I have sworn off this unless things change. If I want to know what a score is - I will google NFL scores.

    Capt Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  2. Kenneth Rue
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    3 posts
    9/28/2017 12:09 AM
    Hmmmmm.

    I know that the media sure did what they could to discredit Tim Tebow when kneeling for religious beliefs(has nothing to do with the anthem)so no surprise that they are show casing the nfl ballers to their cause.

    This America is certainly different from the one I grew up in during the 60's. To me, it's an honor to stand, put your hand over your heart during the anthem thinking of the freedoms afforded you as an American.

    This progressive, socialist left movement in our country uses those freedoms afforded them to advance their cause. The former president sure did what he said-"transform America." That was his only accomplishment while in office. Thus you are witnessing the stampede. And the media's role is to editorialize the kneeling to infer racism so that the country cannot be unified-they love the division because they have been brutalized by President Trump.

    It's time to turn off the tube and get out the old vhs tapes and relive some of the memories of yesteryear.

    Kenneth B. Rue
    K E N T U C K Y



  3. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    9/28/2017 5:09 AM
    I'm indifferent about the players protesting. Protest. Don't protest. I really don't care. I do draw the line when the players protest at the games. It's rude and disrespectful to the fans. We, the fans, attend or watch Sunday football to be entertained. To watch a sport we love. To cheer on our favorite team. To root for our favorite players. We grill out and have friends over to watch the big game.

    Leading up to Sunday football we endure endless political arguments/discussions on TV, the radio, pod casts, internet, and the rest. We look at Saturday and Sunday football as our escape from the weeklong smothering politics. Yet the players have now solidly interjected their politics into our reprieve. And we are forced to watch it. The player's protests are now a bigger story than the games themselves. We can't tune into any game or sports channel without having to witness or listen to more political arguments. The NFL has allowed the game to become nothing more than MSNBC/FOX commentary on a 100 yard field. As such I am out.



  4. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    9/28/2017 7:09 AM
    I'm pretty much done this year watching NFL.

    Some Americans are boycotting millionaires who won't stand for the flag or the anthem while they're getting paid to entertain us. I'm with them.

    Others are boycotting the NFL until, as the Atlanta chapter of the NAACP says, Colin Kaepernick gets another chance to display his talents on the field. Colin Kaepernick opted out from the last year of his 14.5 million dollar contract thinking he'd be worth more in free agency. That makes sense......let's boycott and make it a racial issue because this fool walked away from his contract thinking someone would pay him more. We should feel sorry for him. I'm not with them.

    I might tune in a few games, right at the start, to see if they're still players kneeeling or sitting. If so, it's back to doing yard work which I need to get done anyway.



  5. Corey Eastwood
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    80 posts
    9/28/2017 11:09 AM
    I'm a big NFL fan but will not watch or go to games this year.Like Pete will have more time for other things.

    Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired

  6. Christopher Thuer
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    101 posts
    9/28/2017 6:09 PM
    I LOVE football. I do not agree with the protest at the stadiums and the reason for the protest. But, I will most likely watch the NFL, maybe not as much, unless the children continue to throw their fits.

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

  7. Stephen Ravenkamp
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    1 posts
    9/29/2017 8:09 AM
    I think we have gone tone deaf...lost any real understanding of what the protest is about. People have forgotten the motives behind the protest and turned it into a "disrespect of the flag" issue. The purpose of the protest was NOT to disrespect the flag or the country but to bring attention to what was perceived as a racial bias in policing. The athletes used the forum they were most familiar with - football - to get attention. It does no good to protest if no one is paying attention - and they certainly got attention. They are not protesting against the flag and I believe anyone who is saying their peaceful protest in the most visible way possible is unpatriotic is wrong. If it is wrong, then a large majority of sports crowds are unpatriotic because of their actions when the national anthem is played - they do not stand, they do not remove their hats, they walk around and continue conversations, etc. If you disagree with the reason they are protesting, fine, argue that point. But saying they are being unpatriotic is ignoring the whole conversation they are trying to start. Many of them have put their money where their mouth is and are active in trying to make a difference. How many of the people who are calling them unpatriotic are doing the same? I spent 27 years serving my country and believe it is the best country in the world; however, there are many things that could be made better. While this protest is not necessarily how I would go about trying to change things I will defend their rights. They certainly have gotten attention; unfortunately, I think their message is being lost in people's knee jerk reactions.



  8. Keith Fellenstein
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    9/29/2017 11:09 AM
    They have every right to protest (doesn't mean it is right time or place). And, the reason for the protest is getting lost (so is it worth continuing? accomplishing anything?). The protests are turning people off regardless. One of the Titans seemed rather nonchalant about people tuning out...hope he has saved some of his millions. Seems like bad business to me, especially when they have ample other ways to make their point and are contributing to the decline of the very vehicle that gives them the platform and attention they are taking advantage of. I was losing interest for years, this just cements the decision for me and makes it an easy one.



  9. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    9/29/2017 12:09 PM
    Stephen Ravenkamp, CGCS said: I think we have gone tone deaf...lost any real understanding of what the protest is about. People have forgotten the motives behind the protest and turned it into a "disrespect of the flag" issue. The purpose of the protest was NOT to disrespect the flag or the country but to bring attention to what was perceived as a racial bias in policing. The athletes used the forum they were most familiar with - football - to get attention. It does no good to protest if no one is paying attention - and they certainly got attention. They are not protesting against the flag and I believe anyone who is saying their peaceful protest in the most visible way possible is unpatriotic is wrong. If it is wrong, then a large majority of sports crowds are unpatriotic because of their actions when the national anthem is played - they do not stand, they do not remove their hats, they walk around and continue conversations, etc. If you disagree with the reason they are protesting, fine, argue that point. But saying they are being unpatriotic is ignoring the whole conversation they are trying to start. Many of them have put their money where their mouth is and are active in trying to make a difference. How many of the people who are calling them unpatriotic are doing the same? I spent 27 years serving my country and believe it is the best country in the world; however, there are many things that could be made better. While this protest is not necessarily how I would go about trying to change things I will defend their rights. They certainly have gotten attention; unfortunately, I think their message is being lost in people's knee jerk reactions.


    Perhaps you skipped reading my previous post. The players can protest having to wear a jock strap - I don't care. What I care about is the players having brought their protest to the field. I saw a sign that sums it up perfectly. "Protest on your own time not on my dime".



  10. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    9/29/2017 4:09 PM
    I'm with Stephen on this. My dad served 20 + years, unfortunately I can't ask him his thoughts, but I have seen enough Veterans who have the same sentiments as Stephen does on this. If its ok with them, its ok with me. It was a Veteran that meet with Kap, and got Kap to switch from sitting to kneeling.

    As for the time and place, I get some of the comments, "If I protested on my employers time, I would get fired" Yes if your employer tells you that is the case, fine, 1st amendment rights protect you from government reprises (unless I guess you are criticizing President Trump on Facebook it seems by the new about the DOJ asking for information), but doesn't protect you from other consequences. But hey the NFL doesn't have an issue, and are you not being entertained? It's not like they are taking plays off. But I get it, you have the right not to support them with your dollars.

    So let me ask you, when is it ok for them to protest? How do they best protest? I'm glad those guys in Boston Harbor long ago, (you know them, it happened about the time the Capt. was born) didn't wait to ask what was the best way to protest, or the best time. (now they would be considered thugs, because they destroyed property, of course thank God it was only tea and not coffee, not that I support people doing that, it I think takes away from their message, but that's just me).

    The funny thing to me, (well not really funny,) is it seems (and here I go, painting with a broad brush) the same people complaining about disrespecting the flag, have not problem flying a confederate battle flag and defending confederate monuments, you know what's disrespect to the American Flag? I think the Confederate flag flying next to it. (I myself have some mixed thoughts on those confederate symbols, as a history buff, but that I suppose is another discussion for another time)

    The other funny thing is, there were only a few protesters, not even on every team, but what caused the uproar? When President Trump called them SOB's, heck he didn't even call some of those "good people" carrying Tiki Torches, Nazi and Confederate Flags, SOB's. Quite honestly that is what escalated this whole deal where everyone seem to take sides. Of course leading farther away from the issue of the original protest. Interesting that even some owners who contributed to President Trump stood with their players. And President Obama is the one that divided the country? (I'm guessing we might be having more discussions on that, as I've heard that for 8 years prior, but that will be for another post I'm sure)

    For me, I will still stand, as a tribute to my dad, there is no flag I cherish more than the one that covered his casket. But I know the protest isn't dishonoring him or the flag, and the sad truth is, that the reason for the protest is being lost because people will not discuss it. I will still watch football, they didn't get my money before this started and still won't get my money for tickets, or jerseys or the like after, who can afford that stuff?

    I'm ok in a way with no flyovers, (hey it saves us money, of course I'm sure they can look at it as a training mission, you know all the timing to flyover at the right time). As for honoring military, I'm ok with that as well, especially when we were spending tax dollars to teams to put the "shows" on. If the teams want to give out free tickets and such to vets, I don't have a problem with that either.

    But those are my two cents, just like every other citizen who wants to give their opinion, I'm fine with it, but hopefully it leads to respective dialog on the many issues that is coming out of this.

    Thanks!

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  11. Brian Nettz
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    0 posts
    9/30/2017 8:09 AM
    Watch hockey.

    Brian Nettz
    Presidio Golf Course.



  12. Robert Wagner
    Robert Wagner avatar
    2 posts
    10/5/2017 3:10 PM
    Brian Nettz, CGCS said: Watch hockey.

    Brian Nettz
    Presidio Golf Course.



    Agree with you, Brian. Especially what David Backes was quoted saying:

    David Backes, Boston Bruins forward:

    "My standpoint is that I'm standing for every national anthem with my hand over my heart and I'm staring at that flag recognizing those sacrifices," he said, according to CSN New England. "If I've got beef with a social justice issue or something else-wise, I'm going to find different avenues that are not disrespectful, especially to those that are military men and women that give me the freedom to do what I do ... There are better avenues and better methods to state [a protest]."



  13. Kenneth Rue
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    3 posts
    10/5/2017 11:10 PM
    Well at least we have shared some dialogue on this topic.
    I have always liked the saying or motto in my state- "United We Stand, Divided We Fall."
    Unfortunately, I feel today's society is at the cliff.

    There are so many labels and divisions that defending everyone's cause is amassed each day with more strife.

    God be with us all.

    Kenneth B. Rue
    K E N T U C K Y



  14. Steven Huffstutler
    Steven Huffstutler avatar
    11 posts
    10/13/2017 6:10 AM



  15. Frank McQuiggan
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    2 posts
    10/13/2017 7:10 AM
    First I will say yes he should have known what was playing...with that said since he was indoors there is no set in stone proper etiquette for reactions to the playing of To the Colors which is what is being played. What could he have done stopped the interview and stood up but there is nothing that requires it from any one while indoors.



  16. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    10/13/2017 3:10 PM
    Yeah......there's really no reason for the Commander in Chief who has made such a big deal about respect for the flag to do anything other than keep chattering during the lowering of the colors. He's too busy making things great.......again.


    Regards,

    Steve



  17. Gerald Beierschmitt
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    0 posts
    10/20/2017 5:10 AM
    Appreciate all you guys not watching games anymore. My streaming speed watching NFL has never been better.



  18. Bedford Mike P
    Bedford Mike P avatar
    10/21/2017 1:10 PM
    Gerald Beierschmitt said: Appreciate all you guys not watching games anymore. My streaming speed watching NFL has never been better.

    You're welcome.
    If your streaming is getting faster, that means fewer people (myself included) aren't watching. Good news.
    Protest has a place, and it's not during the National Anthem, or during a sports event.
    I find it odd that these protesters aren't speaking out in detail during press conferences about the horrible country they make millions in, or the oppressive police that rule over us.
    Enjoy your Sunday.



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