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  1. Steven Wright
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    9/30/2014 1:09 PM
    I know this subject has been discussed before but it's worth it again,
    Anyone having trouble hiring assistnats? I'm getiing ready to post another open assistant position. The last one took months to fill.
    Where are the next golf course management leaders?



  2. Smith Kerry L
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    9/30/2014 4:09 PM
    Around here in the oil field. In this biz pay too low, hrs too long, and as Dangerfield says "Get No Respect!" They will miss us when we're gone!
    My golf pro left last year for the patch and doubled his salary right off the bat.



  3. Trevor Monreal
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    5 posts
    10/1/2014 4:10 PM
    First of all...
    I think you spelled assistnat wrong. Its assist-gnat, with a g
    Any who, what we used to call assistants are now superintendents.
    You'll find them down the road working for a management company making the same amount of money the industry used to pay assistgnats.
    The nice thing about this new breed of Super is they don't tend to walk around the grounds wearing a suit coat/blazer wishing the rest of us were just as professional.
    Anyway...good luck



  4. Keith Pegg
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    10/1/2014 4:10 PM
    Steven Wright, CGCS said: I know this subject has been discussed before but it's worth it again,
    Anyone having trouble hiring assistnats? I'm getiing ready to post another open assistant position. The last one took months to fill.
    Where are the next golf course management leaders?



    Never had one, always went with Foreman, they stay longer and work hard too. For me it has been good,
    40 years as a Superintendent.

    Keith



  5. Anthony Nysse
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    1 posts
    10/1/2014 7:10 PM
    Majority of Asst pay is too low for the hours demanded and stress. You get what you pay for.



  6. Parker Ferren
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    10/1/2014 8:10 PM
    No Assistant for me down the road in West Boca...We have a Landscape superintendent with 12 man landscape crew to handle everything outside of grass and I have 16 guys to watch for turf only management...If I can't watch over 16 guys myself I've got bigger problems...Personally, I think turf programs are shrinking and those that are still around generate students that think they will graduate and ride around in a golf cart all day....



  7. Smith Kerry L
    Smith Kerry L avatar
    10/2/2014 10:10 AM
    Keith Pegg said:
    Steven Wright, CGCS said: I know this subject has been discussed before but it's worth it again,
    Anyone having trouble hiring assistnats? I'm getiing ready to post another open assistant position. The last one took months to fill.
    Where are the next golf course management leaders?



    Never had one, always went with Foreman, they stay longer and work hard too. For me it has been good,
    40 years as a Superintendent.

    Keith



    Same here Keith. All my assistants over the 25 years have either worked up from the crew or were hired in from smaller operations with hands on not program educations. Has always worked for me. My current Superintendent was a super at a 9 hole operation for 16 years. Has been here for 8.



  8. Andy Jorgensen
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    10/2/2014 11:10 AM
    I've advertised multiple times for assistants over the past couple of years. I'd either get an out of work Superintendent looking to just pay the bills for a few months or someone that has been out of the business for years. Very rarely would I get the young out of school kid. More recently I hired two past Superintendents that were looking to broaden their horizons by taking on additional responsibilities with this position. It has worked out good for me, but at times I still wish I had that moldable young kid that I can watch grown and move up to a Superintendent position one day.

    That being said, here in Florida the programs available are lacking. Lake City stopped their on-campus program instead looking to offer on-line degrees. University of Florida has a great program, but this comes with a significant price tag. This leaves prospective students looking out of state which also means out of state tuition. I have two crew members now that are wanting to go to turf school, but both would have to work full-time while completing classes. One fortunately can live in his grandmother's house for a few months to gain residency to avoid out of state tuition, while the other one is looking at moving to Myrtle Beach to attend Horry-Georgetown. I have no doubt both will be good programs, but at the end of the day, this is pretty extreme in order to get a degree in a profession they both have grown to love.

    Also, it's hard to get a student to enjoy a career like ours when they can come out of school making way more money with less hours working with anything technology based. Heck, even McDonalds pays more for hourly wages than most courses.



  9. Robert Crockett
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    10/4/2014 8:10 AM
    Andy Jorgensen said: I've advertised multiple times for assistants over the past couple of years. I'd either get an out of work Superintendent looking to just pay the bills for a few months or someone that has been out of the business for years. Very rarely would I get the young out of school kid. More recently I hired two past Superintendents that were looking to broaden their horizons by taking on additional responsibilities with this position. It has worked out good for me, but at times I still wish I had that moldable young kid that I can watch grown and move up to a Superintendent position one day.

    That being said, here in Florida the programs available are lacking. Lake City stopped their on-campus program instead looking to offer on-line degrees. University of Florida has a great program, but this comes with a significant price tag. This leaves prospective students looking out of state which also means out of state tuition. I have two crew members now that are wanting to go to turf school, but both would have to work full-time while completing classes. One fortunately can live in his grandmother's house for a few months to gain residency to avoid out of state tuition, while the other one is looking at moving to Myrtle Beach to attend Horry-Georgetown. I have no doubt both will be good programs, but at the end of the day, this is pretty extreme in order to get a degree in a profession they both have grown to love.

    Also, it's hard to get a student to enjoy a career like ours when they can come out of school making way more money with less hours working with anything technology based. Heck, even McDonalds pays more for hourly wages than most courses.

    You know that's the sad truth Andy.........I resigned from my course in April (Unqualified Pro that had a golf swing literally like Charles Barkley). Small town with too many Big stupid fish that made the pond smell. I know I left that course much better than when I took it over. Typical selfless dedication, always on call (but it was my Baby so to speak). I took a position with a college in the area that another former Superintendent friend of mine runs the Dept. Now I have week ends and holidays off, full benefits and can attend college for free. I have a small spray business on the side also. I keep up with my education in our field because it's in my BLOOD...lol. I'm just a Class "A". Lot's of Excellent Superintendents in the field that are deemed Disposable these days (IMO). The wife and I are doing just fine though. It's still a Great field in spite of some Ignorant Powers That Be...:)



  10. Brandon Zerface
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    10/5/2014 5:10 AM
    Andy,

    Why do you think there is no turf program at UCF or anywhere in Orlando? I experienced this when I lived near Cocoa Beach and was getting started in the industry. Orlando is one of the golf centers of the universe yet they don't offer any turf programs? I even contacted UCF to see if they could do an individualized major program for me but they couldn't. So, I had to send my money out to Penn State for their online degree. Great program, but just blew my mind that it was my best option for a turf degree while living just outside of Orlando.

    Having said that, thank the lord for Penn State's World Campus! I probably would be in a different industry right now without their offering online. It is extremely expensive at just under $7k a semester with 12 credits but really helped open a lot of doors for me after completing my A.S.



  11. Andy Jorgensen
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    10/5/2014 2:10 PM
    Brandon Zerface said: Andy,

    Why do you think there is no turf program at UCF or anywhere in Orlando? I experienced this when I lived near Cocoa Beach and was getting started in the industry. Orlando is one of the golf centers of the universe yet they don't offer any turf programs? I even contacted UCF to see if they could do an individualized major program for me but they couldn't. So, I had to send my money out to Penn State for their online degree. Great program, but just blew my mind that it was my best option for a turf degree while living just outside of Orlando.

    Having said that, thank the lord for Penn State's World Campus! I probably would be in a different industry right now without their offering online. It is extremely expensive at just under $7k a semester with 12 credits but really helped open a lot of doors for me after completing my A.S.



    I think it all boils down to cost and lack of people wanting to get into the industry. Those already working on the crew can't afford the tuition or don't have a schedule for daytime classes. Those high school students looking to continue in the business end up going out of state for a B.S. Degree. Central Florida CC here in Ocala started a program a few years back as a spin off of their hort degree. They had about ten students total the first few years, even with an "after work" schedule. Even they had a hard time finding qualified instructors. Heck, my mechanic hosted and taught a mechanics class at our shop one semester. The school ended up ditching both degrees due to a lack of participation.

    At the end of the day, the industry has switched gears as of late. The older guys getting let go for a younger, cheaper replacement may be a thing of the past.



  12. Steven Huffstutler
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    10/6/2014 5:10 AM
    This is what's known as Econ 101.....supply and demand. For years the turf schools were cranking out graduates for jobs that no longer exist. Golf has been shrinking, so it shouldnt come as a surprise that the universities aren't chasing those dollars anymore because those dollars aren't there. When wages catch up, the supply of qualified candidates will improve, until then enjoy the fact that there are fewer young bucks out there looking to put you out to pasture.

    Regards,

    Steve



  13. Peter Bowman
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    10/8/2014 10:10 PM
    I think its because all the jobs lately (last six months or more, seems like) are for "Assistants in Training." What the heck is that? Who wants to be one of those? Did that used to be a Foreman?



  14. Paul Dowaschinski
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    10/9/2014 4:10 AM
    In reference to the above comment, one thing I've noticed in a lot of ads are the education requirements. If the Assistant is in training, then I would think they are attending school, online or in-person, rather than already have the degree or certificate. If an applicant has completed turf school, I assume they had an internship and received "training" then.

    Several months ago, Turfnet had an article about "career" 2nd Assistants. It basically said that Superintendents might be better off seeking older people who don't necessarily want to become the Boss.

    Find someone who has been out of school for awhile and train them. Encourage them to take online classes at Penn State, FGC or wherever. Better yet, help with tuition costs.

    If the schools are producing fewer turf graduates, perhaps courses seeking Assistants should lower their educational requirements. ??



  15. Peter Bowman
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    10/9/2014 7:10 AM
    I have an idea. It's a whole new job title. Since "Assistant in Training" is a relatively new term, developed by I'm not sure who or why (although Paul Dowaschinski did a pretty good job explainin g it in the above post), I'd like to put a lot of these job tiltles into a new group.

    First we have the Golf Course Superintendent. He's the boss. Then some courses might have a Career Assistant Golf Course Superintendent. He never wants to be the boss. That much we know.

    After that, we pretty much have the Assistant Golf Course Superintendent, and/or the First Assistant Golf Course Superintendent. One in the same. You can't have a First Assistant Golf Course Superintendent unless you have a Second Assistant Golf Course Superintendent. Now, out of nowhere, we have the Assistant in Training.

    My new job tiltle for everyone mentioned in the above paragraph......Superintendent Someday. You're a Superintendent Someday, you're not sure when or where, but your goal is to be a Superintendent someday. You just have to wait your turn, or move on to another course looking for a Superintendent where they have a Career Assistant but no Assistant. You get that job as Superintendent and drop the Someday off your business card when you send it to the printer.



  16. Mark Van Lienden
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    10/9/2014 8:10 AM
    Pete,
    You left out the superintendent wannabe , a retired golfers who advises the superintendent.



  17. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    10/9/2014 9:10 AM
    Here's an example of why you don't get any applicants, this is an actual job posting :

    Position: Assistant Superintendent
    Course Name:
    City and State:
    TYPE OF MEMBERSHIP
    X Private â–¡ Public â–¡ Resort â–¡ Other:
    COURSE DESCRIPTION
    # of Holes: â–¡ 9 â–¡ 18 x Other: 36 Holes
    Annual # of rounds: 55,000
    Anticipated budget: $2,000,000
    Type of irrigation system: Toro Lynx
    DESCRIBE DUTIES
    We are looking for a motivated individual that has knowledge of golf maintenance practices and is enthusiastic about learning. The individual must be able to work well with our Team and be able to manage and supervise small crews and projects. Previous experiences with Bermuda & Ultradwarf turfgrass management experience a plus but not required. Irrigation maintenance and repair, chemical & fertilizer application and calibration a must. Must be able to identify landscape and turf plant diseases. Previous renovation experience desired, but not required. Ability to speak Spanish is a plus. Drug Free Work Place
    SALARY RANGE
    From $32,000 to $32,000

    36 Holes, multi million dollar budget, experience required, second language desired......all for 32k



  18. Kenneth Cascadden
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    10/9/2014 9:10 AM
    From my experience in this business as an Assistant, you can only have 1 of these items.

    1. Pay
    2. Location
    3. Quality of life

    If you choose a good paying position, forget about living somewhere you want and be ready to work a schedule that leaves no time for anything else.

    If you choose location, be ready to except the fact that you may be working for lower pay, which then again affects quality of life.

    If you choose quality of life, you will not meet the "expectations" of your Superintendent and more than likely be looking for a new position very quickly, which will affect your income.

    I recently moved from Arizona to Florida (Daytona area) to help out my parents. When I was in Arizona and applying to positions here in Florida, I was told that my location was the problem. Now that I am here in Florida, I can't get anyone to respond. The bigger question for me is, in this day and age with smartphones, twitter, blogs, etc... WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GET A RESPONSE FROM ANYONE? Have applied to numerous jobs with little to NO communication what so ever. And Superintendents wonder why Assistants are hard to find????



  19. Christopher Thuer
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    10/9/2014 4:10 PM
    Anthony Nysse said: Majority of Asst pay is too low for the hours demanded and stress. You get what you pay for.


    Which is why my assistants have rarely put in more than a 9 hour day or more than a 45 hour week except during aeration days, 11.5 hours yesterday to get greens aerated, or when there is a major problem, which is very rare. Low pay + no benis = minimal O.T. in my opinion.

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

  20. James Schmid
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    10/9/2014 9:10 PM
    Kenneth Cascadden said: From my experience in this business as an Assistant, you can only have 1 of these items.

    1. Pay
    2. Location
    3. Quality of life

    If you choose a good paying position, forget about living somewhere you want and be ready to work a schedule that leaves no time for anything else.

    If you choose location, be ready to except the fact that you may be working for lower pay, which then again affects quality of life.

    If you choose quality of life, you will not meet the "expectations" of your Superintendent and more than likely be looking for a new position very quickly, which will affect your income.

    I recently moved from Arizona to Florida (Daytona area) to help out my parents. When I was in Arizona and applying to positions here in Florida, I was told that my location was the problem. Now that I am here in Florida, I can't get anyone to respond. The bigger question for me is, in this day and age with smartphones, twitter, blogs, etc... WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GET A RESPONSE FROM ANYONE? Have applied to numerous jobs with little to NO communication what so ever. And Superintendents wonder why Assistants are hard to find????


    Its unlikely that they are having difficulty contacting you. It os more likely that they are not contacting you because they don't want to. Take a hard look at how you are marketing yourself and why they aren't wanting to hire you.



  21. Daniel Brooks
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    10/10/2014 11:10 AM
    Let's take a look at a few simple facts and the economic law of supply and demand. There fewer superintendent positions today than there have been in the past due to annual golf course closures and a huge downturn in golf course construction. There was a flood of turf graduates that were placed in the job market ten to fifteen years ago. Golf courses could pay lower salaries to those recent turf graduates because there was a large supply of them and therefore a lower demand. Those turf graduates are now superintendents or assistants waiting for their opportunity to get a superintendent position. In line behind them are the people that came out of turf school within the past ten years that are assistants, second assistants, a.i.t.'s, spray techs, etc. that are also looking to become superintendents. Around fifteen years ago, the average assistant made around $20,000 to $30,000 per year. Today I see ads for assistant positions with salary ranges around the low $30's to $40's. I don't believe that the annual salary has kept up with inflation. Now there is a high demand for turf grads to fill assistant roles and a low supply. Generally what should happen now is the salary level of assistant superintendent positions should increase as well. Superintendents today make higher salaries than ever and assistant salaries have lagged behind. Superintendent salaries have not only kept up with inflation over the past twenty years, but have exceeded it. Turf graduates fifteen to twenty years ago could feel relatively good about getting a superintendent position within a few years of "putting in their dues" as an assistant. This is definitely not the case anymore. In fact it is more difficult than ever to even get an interview for a superintendent position today, let alone get a superintendent job. New people coming into the business now also know the importance of building a quality resume and working for a well-known superintendent that is well connected in the industry. They tend to go to big name golf courses for internships and for their first positions as assistants, a.i.t's, spray techs, etc. They generally are offered housing, meals, and other benefits, as well as, unlimited hours to make a good salary at these clubs that have high budgets. This is difficult for the average course to compete with.

    Steve Wright: The "next generation of golf course management leaders" are out there patiently waiting for their chance to become a superintendent, are working long, hard hours, and have been for many years.

    Tony Nysse: You are 100% correct in your statement of "you get what you pay for."

    Steve Huffstutler: You are correct also, but don't get complacent because there are tons of hungry, well qualified assistants out there just waiting for the opportunity to take a superintendent position for far less than what many superintendents are currently making now.

    Other guys that don't believe Tony's statement and what I have to say: Good luck in your future endeavors. Unless you are truly willing to take the time and change your view of the situation, things will remain the same.



  22. Andy Jorgensen
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    10/13/2014 11:10 AM
    It's hard for a club that is only paying a Superintendent $45-50k annually to justify a pay increase for the Assistant to that same level. These are the clubs that are paying $28-34k annually (maybe lower) and having a tough time filling a position. These are true assistants, and often work right alongside the crew to get the job done. I think the question posed is more for that type of person, not a current assistant looking to move up to an assistant position at a higher end club. Those assistants I think are more available than the later.



  23. Curtis Nickerson
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    10/13/2014 12:10 PM
    I think we are missing the 800lbs gorilla in the room....
    The youth of America, as far as I can tell, don't want to work hard outside busting their hump to earn a living. They'd rather sit at mom and dad's house, eating Cheetos, smoking weed and playing x box(Personally I prefer Doritos, Miller Lite and ps3, but I aint judging) and have someone else be responsible for how their life turns out...Seems we as a society lack personal accountability and always look to blame someone else for our woes...

    But hey, I'm old, fat and bitter and 20 years ago I made $22k at my first asst job. I didn't intern at the best clubs, or know any top-notch supts to ride their coattails, I busted my hump, told anyone that would listen that I wanted to be a supt and was prepared to take a job at a "no name hole in the wall club" so I could be the boss... and that's what I did.

    I was an assistant for 14 months (crew, irrigation tech then spray tech for 3 years before that) then got my first chance to be a Supt. 18 holes, $33k and free lunches( they took a beating on that one!!!) that was in 95 and all these years later I have never regretted doing what ever it took to get my first supts job...



  24. Kenneth Cascadden
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    10/13/2014 2:10 PM
    James Schmid said:

    Its unlikely that they are having difficulty contacting you. It os more likely that they are not contacting you because they don't want to. Take a hard look at how you are marketing yourself and why they aren't wanting to hire you.



    James,

    Sorry, maybe my point was misunderstood, but have you talked with anyone who has applied to positions lately. It is not how you market yourself, its called ethics (on the part of the employer who is advertising for an open position). If you apply to a position in this business you should get a response, even if you are the worst candidate. I understand only one person is going to get the position, but he or she should not be the only person who is contacted.

    One of the original questions asked here was "Where are the next golf course management leaders?"

    This is a fair question, but let me ask where are the leaders NOW? While attending a golf leadership seminar, I remember the speaker saying "If you call yourself a leader and you cannot get anyone to follow you, then you are not a leader." I am not aiming this at Superintendents, but the whole golf business in general. Whoever puts the ad out for an open position, should have the decency to respond. But what do I know......lol



  25. Anthony Nysse
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    10/13/2014 6:10 PM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Here's an example of why you don't get any applicants, this is an actual job posting :

    Position: Assistant Superintendent
    Course Name:
    City and State:
    TYPE OF MEMBERSHIP
    X Private â–¡ Public â–¡ Resort â–¡ Other:
    COURSE DESCRIPTION
    # of Holes: â–¡ 9 â–¡ 18 x Other: 36 Holes
    Annual # of rounds: 55,000
    Anticipated budget: $2,000,000
    Type of irrigation system: Toro Lynx
    DESCRIBE DUTIES
    We are looking for a motivated individual that has knowledge of golf maintenance practices and is enthusiastic about learning. The individual must be able to work well with our Team and be able to manage and supervise small crews and projects. Previous experiences with Bermuda & Ultradwarf turfgrass management experience a plus but not required. Irrigation maintenance and repair, chemical & fertilizer application and calibration a must. Must be able to identify landscape and turf plant diseases. Previous renovation experience desired, but not required. Ability to speak Spanish is a plus. Drug Free Work Place
    SALARY RANGE
    From $32,000 to $32,000

    36 Holes, multi million dollar budget, experience required, second language desired......all for 32k


    Bingo. Made the same comment to several colleagues last week regarding similar post.



  26. Andy Jorgensen
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    1 posts
    10/13/2014 7:10 PM
    Anthony Nysse said:
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Here's an example of why you don't get any applicants, this is an actual job posting :

    Position: Assistant Superintendent
    Course Name:
    City and State:
    TYPE OF MEMBERSHIP
    X Private â–¡ Public â–¡ Resort â–¡ Other:
    COURSE DESCRIPTION
    # of Holes: â–¡ 9 â–¡ 18 x Other: 36 Holes
    Annual # of rounds: 55,000
    Anticipated budget: $2,000,000
    Type of irrigation system: Toro Lynx
    DESCRIBE DUTIES
    We are looking for a motivated individual that has knowledge of golf maintenance practices and is enthusiastic about learning. The individual must be able to work well with our Team and be able to manage and supervise small crews and projects. Previous experiences with Bermuda & Ultradwarf turfgrass management experience a plus but not required. Irrigation maintenance and repair, chemical & fertilizer application and calibration a must. Must be able to identify landscape and turf plant diseases. Previous renovation experience desired, but not required. Ability to speak Spanish is a plus. Drug Free Work Place
    SALARY RANGE
    From $32,000 to $32,000

    36 Holes, multi million dollar budget, experience required, second language desired......all for 32k


    Bingo. Made the same comment to several colleagues last week regarding similar post.



    The requirements were exactly what I had when I graduated college. I would have been happy in this position upon graduation. Especially since there is probably a Superintendent and director above me. In other words, the duties and pay match that of a second assistant without the title. I really don't see anything wrong with this post, especially since the "Superintendent" above me is really doing the duties of an assistant at any other facility.



  27. Anthony Nysse
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    1 posts
    10/14/2014 5:10 AM
    Andy Jorgensen said:
    Anthony Nysse said:
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Here's an example of why you don't get any applicants, this is an actual job posting :

    Position: Assistant Superintendent
    Course Name:
    City and State:
    TYPE OF MEMBERSHIP
    X Private â–¡ Public â–¡ Resort â–¡ Other:
    COURSE DESCRIPTION
    # of Holes: â–¡ 9 â–¡ 18 x Other: 36 Holes
    Annual # of rounds: 55,000
    Anticipated budget: $2,000,000
    Type of irrigation system: Toro Lynx
    DESCRIBE DUTIES
    We are looking for a motivated individual that has knowledge of golf maintenance practices and is enthusiastic about learning. The individual must be able to work well with our Team and be able to manage and supervise small crews and projects. Previous experiences with Bermuda & Ultradwarf turfgrass management experience a plus but not required. Irrigation maintenance and repair, chemical & fertilizer application and calibration a must. Must be able to identify landscape and turf plant diseases. Previous renovation experience desired, but not required. Ability to speak Spanish is a plus. Drug Free Work Place
    SALARY RANGE
    From $32,000 to $32,000

    36 Holes, multi million dollar budget, experience required, second language desired......all for 32k


    Bingo. Made the same comment to several colleagues last week regarding similar post.



    The requirements were exactly what I had when I graduated college. I would have been happy in this position upon graduation. Especially since there is probably a Superintendent and director above me. In other words, the duties and pay match that of a second assistant without the title. I really don't see anything wrong with this post, especially since the "Superintendent" above me is really doing the duties of an assistant at any other facility.

    Andy,
    I thought the same thing. I considered that making bank 12 years ago. I think that gap between Supt salaries and Asst salaries could be more inline, something like a 1:3 ratio would seem fair.



  28. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    10/14/2014 10:10 AM
    Curtis Nickerson said: I think we are missing the 800lbs gorilla in the room....
    The youth of America, as far as I can tell, don't want to work hard outside busting their hump to earn a living. They'd rather sit at mom and dad's house, eating Cheetos, smoking weed and playing x box(Personally I prefer Doritos, Miller Lite and ps3, but I aint judging) and have someone else be responsible for how their life turns out...Seems we as a society lack personal accountability and always look to blame someone else for our woes...

    But hey, I'm old, fat and bitter and 20 years ago I made $22k at my first asst job. I didn't intern at the best clubs, or know any top-notch supts to ride their coattails, I busted my hump, told anyone that would listen that I wanted to be a supt and was prepared to take a job at a "no name hole in the wall club" so I could be the boss... and that's what I did.

    I was an assistant for 14 months (crew, irrigation tech then spray tech for 3 years before that) then got my first chance to be a Supt. 18 holes, $33k and free lunches( they took a beating on that one!!!) that was in 95 and all these years later I have never regretted doing what ever it took to get my first supts job...



    I love Cheetos



  29. Sean Hoolehan
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    10/14/2014 11:10 AM
    Quite a interesting thread. I just wonder why we are not looking at our Hispanic/minority staff or even women for future assistants and leaders. Funny how few of these employees make it to management. Disturbing really when you consider the % of employees in the industry.



  30. Curtis Nickerson
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    10/14/2014 12:10 PM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: Quite a interesting thread. I just wonder why we are not looking at our Hispanic/minority staff or even women for future assistants and leaders. Funny how few of these employees make it to management. Disturbing really when you consider the % of employees in the industry.


    I have a Hispanic Assistant, Hispanic lead Spray Tech, and a Female Hispanic Crew foreman! But I also have two other minorities that are superstars but when I encourage them to move up and they say "na, I dont want to have to worry about everyone else doing what I told them"



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