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  1. Steven Kurta
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    11/23/2013 8:11 AM
    For the last two months a local dairy operation has been manuring any and all fields he can get his waste onto. It's a community that is quasi-rural, but moving more residential - our golf course is across the road from one of the fields he manures. The stream that flows into our property and fills our pond, enters from his fields. I don't have issue with this - we're downstream from an ag operation..things are going to be what they're going to be. We deal with it.

    My problem came the other day, as I guess the operator is taking an incredible amount of heat from the local neighborhoods, schools, and concerned landowners. Lots of complaints and facebook crying and wailing. People are threatening lawsuits now, and looking for legal inroads to have him spread elsewhere. The dairy lobby is strong in NY though, so that'll likely go nowhere.

    So, I get a text two days ago from another Superintendent stating, "dude, someone's using your picture on FB" then links me to the dairy operator's page. There, I find in his attempt at defending himself to the local home owners, (through FB) he decided to snap a picture of me on our greens sprayer as I was making a snow mold application. He then wrote remarks that insinuated "whatever he was spraying must be non-toxic because I couldn't detect any odor, but if there's no odor why is he wearing protective gear?" As if to say, "you people complain about how bad what I'm spreading is when the golf course across the street is spraying god-knows-what"

    It was a bummer. I'll hang fire on it for now, but would be interested in your opinions or experiences on dealing with someone like this. I realize he's under pressure for his own decisions and he's taking heat from all angles, but to be dragged into his problems like that makes me want to punch him in the face with a can of soup.



  2. Clay Putnam
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    11/23/2013 8:11 AM
    Maybe worth a neighborly visit to have the 'ol "we're on the semi-same team" conversation.



  3. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    11/23/2013 8:11 AM
    A year ago my wife and I moved out of the city and into an unincorporated county area a few miles from town.

    We've got ag operations, mostly wine grapes and cherries, all around us for miles. I forget what the document was called, but before buying the place we had to sign it agreeing to not complain about dust, noise, etc., from whatever happens from planting to harvesting to bring the crop to market. Ag's on the top rung here, so no complaining allowed.

    The dairy was probably there before the homes, school, parks, church - well, maybe not the church - so smell the place up as far as I'm concerned. More power to the dairy farmer. Pay him millions of dollars and he'll cease operations. I would, anyway.

    As far as the photo he has of you on your sprayer? Does he have any sheep?



  4. Clay Putnam
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    11/23/2013 11:11 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: Maybe worth a neighborly visit to have the 'ol "we're on the semi-same team" conversation.


    Take the sheep pic and the soup with you to set the tone of the conversation.



  5. James Smith
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    11/24/2013 6:11 AM
    Steve this looks like a great opportunity to get the proper information out about what and why you use your safety gear (because the label is the law and you being a responsible applicator that you are, you naturally have to wear your safety gear). I would try to do some article about chemicals and golf courses I am sure that the GCSAA may have some info you can use. Manure spreading can be very hazardous to the enviorment if it is done where it can run off into ponds or rivers. Have you ever checked the Ecoli bacteria in your ponds? You are doing a controlled spraying where as he is just getting rid of his S$!%.

    Down here we have several small rivers that put out hazard warnings about swimming in them at certain times of the year due to ag waste runoff. Even sections of Lake Ponchatrain gets closed off to swimmers for this reason.



  6. Larry Allan
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    11/24/2013 8:11 AM
    The photo can be both damning and positive but how do you get that info to those who need to know it. I'm not a facebook guy so I don't know if you can post something that casts this in a better light. If you can I might work in some praise for the farmer and his positive recycling in a responsible manor as well as you simply following label directions on the product you were applying. Maybe even to the point of describing what the products are and what they degrade to. If you look at the degradation of most of our commonly used products, it doesn't look nearly as scarey. Also mention that 10 years ago you might have been using Mercury for the same purpose. Explain LD50 of Mercury, what you were spraying, and some common household products like table salt, aspirin etc.
    I live in the country and the smell of spread manure doesn't bother me one bit. This is similar to people moving near an airport and complaining about the noise



  7. Timothy Walker
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    11/27/2013 9:11 PM
    go for the visit and punch him in the face with a can of soup. Get a water test done on the water entering and exiting your property to see if he's polluting your waterway....



  8. Larry Allan
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    11/28/2013 8:11 AM
    Timothy Walker, CGCS said: go for the visit and punch him in the face with a can of soup. Get a water test done on the water entering and exiting your property to see if he's polluting your waterway....

    Sounds like you went to "The Theodore Zebrenski School of Social Interaction"



  9. Nicholas Daak
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    11/30/2013 10:11 PM
    Same situation here. Course, members, and area home owners want me to confront the area farmer. Last winter when ground was frozen we got 2in of rain. The rain washed manure into our irrigation pond causing the water to smell for 3 months. I am afraid if I say something that he will watch my every move. I do everything by the book but my facility isn't up to par, no pun intended.



  10. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    12/1/2013 6:12 AM
    Nicholas Daak said: Same situation here. Course, members, and area home owners want me to confront the area farmer. Last winter when ground was frozen we got 2in of rain. The rain washed manure into our irrigation pond causing the water to smell for 3 months. I am afraid if I say something that he will watch my every move. I do everything by the book but my facility isn't up to par, no pun intended.


    Nah, I don't think you have anything to worry about, at this point. Every farmer I know is a reasonable person and odds are that your next door neighbor farmer is a reasonable person too. I'm sure he will have a reasonable reaction if you discuss the manure issue with him. Its a legitimate problem. The farmer is the cause. Go have a chat. If he turns out to be worth a can of soup to the face then break out the big guns. But until then I would talk to him like he's a neighbor.



  11. Timothy Walker
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    12/1/2013 12:12 PM
    Hey red,

    We trained at the same place, hahahaha

    Larry Allan said:
    Timothy Walker, CGCS said: go for the visit and punch him in the face with a can of soup. Get a water test done on the water entering and exiting your property to see if he's polluting your waterway....

    Sounds like you went to "The Theodore Zebrenski School of Social Interaction"



  12. Keith Pegg
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    12/1/2013 4:12 PM
    Steven Kurta said: For the last two months a local dairy operation has been manuring any and all fields he can get his waste onto. It's a community that is quasi-rural, but moving more residential - our golf course is across the road from one of the fields he manures. The stream that flows into our property and fills our pond, enters from his fields. I don't have issue with this - we're downstream from an ag operation..things are going to be what they're going to be. We deal with it.

    My problem came the other day, as I guess the operator is taking an incredible amount of heat from the local neighborhoods, schools, and concerned landowners. Lots of complaints and facebook crying and wailing. People are threatening lawsuits now, and looking for legal inroads to have him spread elsewhere. The dairy lobby is strong in NY though, so that'll likely go nowhere.

    So, I get a text two days ago from another Superintendent stating, "dude, someone's using your picture on FB" then links me to the dairy operator's page. There, I find in his attempt at defending himself to the local home owners, (through FB) he decided to snap a picture of me on our greens sprayer as I was making a snow mold application. He then wrote remarks that insinuated "whatever he was spraying must be non-toxic because I couldn't detect any odor, but if there's no odor why is he wearing protective gear?" As if to say, "you people complain about how bad what I'm spreading is when the golf course across the street is spraying god-knows-what"

    It was a bummer. I'll hang fire on it for now, but would be interested in your opinions or experiences on dealing with someone like this. I realize he's under pressure for his own decisions and he's taking heat from all angles, but to be dragged into his problems like that makes me want to punch him in the face with a can of soup.


    Steven,
    I really do not have a good answer but face the questions from time to time on seeing my operators in the full white jump spray suit and I have a question for everyone does anyone know of a colored spray suit that looks more like normal overalls? I have seen the light blue one but that is no good we need a dark blue or green that does not stand out.
    Keith Pegg
    US Army
    Zama Japan



  13. James Schmid
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    1 posts
    12/2/2013 10:12 AM
    Keith Pegg said:

    Steven,
    I really do not have a good answer but face the questions from time to time on seeing my operators in the full white jump spray suit and I have a question for everyone does anyone know of a colored spray suit that looks more like normal overalls? I have seen the light blue one but that is no good we need a dark blue or green that does not stand out.
    Keith Pegg
    US Army
    Zama Japan


    http://www.gemplers.com/product/134537- ... 202160452s



  14. Steven Kurta
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    2 posts
    12/2/2013 7:12 PM
    Thanks, guys. I'll get a water test before the pond freezes up and again when we put the fountain in next year. Document ad infinitum.

    I won't go full-proactive horn-tooting GCSAA style just yet. I don't think I need to play that card. His FB nonsense was a desperation move and I'm not going to get dragged into a comparison of operations to prove who pollutes less. He was being a dope. Pond nutrient level over the next year will be monitored and that's about it. My members know the deal and know what manurey runoff does to small bodies of water. If we have problems that lead to his operation, we'll approach him legal-like when the time is right. My spray suit is by Armani.



  15. Max Lamas
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    2/17/2016 9:02 PM
    "Hey bud, I don't mind giving you some advice defending against your practices if I believe you are correct in your ways; but the next time you Sh** on my doorstep, I won't as civil."



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