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  1. Mowrey Mark S
    Mowrey Mark S avatar
    11/20/2013 10:11 AM
    O and M expense pro shop- 148,467.00 18- hole course w/bent grns. in transition zone-112,266.00. Does anyone have any idea what it costs to run an average pro shop and why the expenses would be greater than the course? This does not include labor, just operating expenses. Can't make sense to me.



  2. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    11/20/2013 11:11 AM
    Mark Mowrey said: O and M expense pro shop- 148,467.00 18- hole course w/bent grns. in transition zone-112,266.00. Does anyone have any idea what it costs to run an average pro shop and why the expenses would be greater than the course? This does not include labor, just operating expenses. Can't make sense to me.


    Mark, would that include merchandise, food and beverage as well (I lump that in just because the small courses I have worked at include it in their budgets)? Merchandise cost could add up.

    If merchandise is not part of expenses, then I would have to wonder what are they doing, upgrading fixtures and furniture. Do they have cable for golfers to watch? Look around and see what services they have and providing for customers benefit. If it does include merchandise cost, then it would be interesting to see revenue from merchandise.

    I do know our pro shop labor costs are higher, mostly due to what the manager makes and also with the extra hours they are open. But as you say, yours doesn't include the labor.

    I always wondered why food and beverage was budgeted, I understand as an operating expense to a degree, but I always asked the question what happens if we are real busy that year and you sell a lot of hot dogs and soda, do you get to exceed to budget? Never would get a good answer, but always figured that yes they could because the revenue should be paying for more supplies.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. Mowrey Mark S
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    11/20/2013 1:11 PM
    Thanks Mel for trying, too many questions I can't answer. I would imagine that merchandise and food and beverage is included but really can't say, not going to press the issue. I was just wondering if there were any averages of expenses without considering income. Both courses (9 and 18) have been cut so badly that this seemed to jump out at me. 2014- no asst, spray or irrig.tech and only 4 full-time -mechanic included, and two seasonal. Courses are about 5 miles from each other, just something to look forward to next year. Thanks for replying. Anybody need a good asst.?
    Mark.



  4. David Brandenburg
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    11/20/2013 7:11 PM
    Golf shop expenses should include the cost of goods sold which depending on the operation can be quite high but should result in income of a greater amount.

    It should also include clubhouse utllities, insurance and maintenance. Other items in ours include range balls, range supplies, cart gasoline, cart maintnenace, weather service, advertising, website and point of sale costs



  5. Mowrey Mark S
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    11/21/2013 5:11 AM
    Thanks David for the reply and info. There is more to this than I am able to get into. Of your list of expenses only point of sales and website are really pertinent. Pro shop has a separate budget from the clubhouse and ballroom, we are leasing carts and the golf maint. and pays for the gas and we do the small amount of required maint.. The pro is the only full-time employee with 10 part-time working 5-7 hrs/week with free golf, two on the range and washing range balls and carts. There is not a big inventory of merchandise but I am not involved enough to see his actual line item expenses. Our BOC is starting to look at this dept. in-depth and I am trying to stay out of the political arena. Is it normal for the pro shop to have more expenses than the golf course itself, just looking at expenses and not figuring in the income? Thanks again for the info.
    Mark.



  6. Clay Putnam
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    11/21/2013 11:11 AM
    Mark,

    Does the pro shop budget include wages and the maintenance budget does not? There has to something of significance that is creating such a large budget differentiation. Does the pro shop budget pay rent for the space? As David said, the pro shop COGS can be a big nut. Does the pro shop have to pay for advertising? That can be a big expense. The only way to truly know is to do a line item budget comparison.



  7. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    11/21/2013 11:11 AM
    I was going to say utilities could be a big cost especially with electric carts but you have debunked some of that with gas and repairs coming out of your budget.

    It sounds like more descriptions of what money is spent on needs to be looked at.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  8. Mowrey Mark S
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    11/21/2013 3:11 PM
    Thanks Mel, Clay. The no's I quoted do not include wage and burden. We own the building complex and the utilities are paid thru the clubhouse and ballroom budgets. I just need to know if I had overlooked something obvious and I am going to let the BOC and our District Mngr. handle this. Not much has been spent on advertising-under 5,000. I think, and I am with you that the only way to know is to look at the individual line items, which is not for me to do. The membership is up in arms on subsidizing the 18-hole course and I think it is the pro shop area that is using most of the subsidy and I will not say anymore about that except that the maint. dept. is taking the hit and they have already cut me down past bare bones. I put together a small volunteer program this year with 18 people and it was such a success that they want me to expand it in 2014. Will start working on that in Jan. and just looking forward to a nice snowy winter. Thanks again, I have been in this business for 36 years and a supt. for 22 and I am still amazed at the fellowship and support for the individual that this industry demonstrates.
    Mark.



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