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Re: doing something with nothing

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  1. Virgil Range
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    3/16/2014 5:03 AM
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  2. James Smith
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    3/16/2014 6:03 AM
    Sounds like a tuff spot your in. I can understand not wanting to quit. Looks like you in a tuff bind.

    I would start by releasing guys instead of cutting hours. It is easier to keep workers that are making a full check.

    I would look into any local and or national clubs that may be willing to donate equipment or sell old equipment cheap. you can get away with one greensmower for both greens and tees if you have a second set of reels to set up for the tees.

    I know it is going to feel a lot like begging but what other choice do you have. you may be surprised at what older equipment you may be able to find in other clubs junk pile. look for whatever may be the cheapest to fix and maintain.

    I advise you to mark all of your tools with an engraver so it will not get mixed into tools you will eventually buy.

    as for the maintenance building situation. I would look into your local building codes but do not try to get anyone in there to look at your situation it may backfire. As long as you have ventilated space for your chemicals you should be safe but a cheap shed type building may work better.

    Since you have only been there one month try building a plan of action that spans over a five year period where you can show your club that you are looking into getting them where you think they need to be, but slowly.
    make a list of the most important things you need to do in order of importance of the course. yes you will have to make due without a lot of things for a few years but you will first have to prove yourself to the club before they will go into deeper debt in order to right the ship.

    Good Luck



  3. Jeffrey Sexton
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    3/16/2014 1:03 PM
    Virgil,

    I know how you feel. I was at a club several years ago that was not very organized. The club was struggling to pay bills. One November afternoon the club suffered a huge tornado that basically did them in. I had no help or resources to clean up the damage. The storm ripped down 45% of their trees and my maintenance building was destroyed. I was forced to move my mechanic and his grinding equipment into a cold, dark basement below the club's pro shop. I reached out to my local superintendents and sales reps to help me get the trees piled up and get the course open. This took planning and about four months to achieve. The club got an insurance check for the damages and the board began by replacing the club house roof. This was more important to them than the pumps that irrigate the golf course, the maintenance building or even irrigation controllers that made the irrigation system work. After getting no where with replacing any of the tools for the upcoming golf season I began to tell the board at the time that the golf course will "die" if this doesn't get replaced. This was a bit harsh for me to tell them but the phrase began to work. Tell your people the greens need to be sprayed tomorrow or they will die. I bet they will let you purchase a few cases of fungicide. Tell them you need your pumps repaired or they might as well close their doors. During all of this I also began searching for a new job. The old job still operates the way they use too. They never deserved a person like me. Tell them something is going to die and see if that works. Keep us posted.

    Jeff Sexton
    Evansville CC



  4. Keith Pegg
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    3/16/2014 4:03 PM
    Yes once about 20 years ago, Job is not on my resume for sure and it did not end well got paid 3 months and then that dried up. Found the gate locked with a police chain one morning and that was the end. Lost about a months pay; Small claims is a joke and I could get no help, took a new job and did not look back.
    Lost:
    4 weeks pay $5000
    Tools $500
    Pride ∞

    Good Luck,

    Keith Pegg, loving Japan



  5. Schlagetter David B
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    3/17/2014 12:03 PM
    I took a job once with no equipment, no tools and no crew. All borrowed equipment. And once the vendors stopped getting paid, they stopped providing. I learned a lot about myself those three months. It was amazing what I accomplished. Reach out to local Superintendents for help. I'll bet you find some things to make do, for now. Don't look to the authorities to help you with these owners. It's a small community. This won't help you find the next great position. BTW, start looking for and networking toward that next position. One of my best selling points while interviewing after my experience was that I stayed on, worked hard and solved problems with NO resources. Imagine, Sir, what I can do for you in the future with an adequate budget?! Dave



  6. Schlagetter David B
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    3/17/2014 12:03 PM
    Oh yeah. Like Jeff I had to show them pictures of what snow mold does to turf to get the cash to buy a granular product for prevention. No sprayer.

    That opened their wallets, for a second.

    Dave



  7. Steven Huffstutler
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    3/17/2014 2:03 PM
    I had a job like that once, that guy still owes me money. I walked away from it and got a job mowing fairways at a reputable club nearby while I worked on getting another Superintendent job. It was painful, but I was glad to not have to deal with those idiots any longer.
    It's very hard when you are the only one who cares.



  8. Keith Pegg
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    3/17/2014 3:03 PM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: I had a job like that once, that guy still owes me money. I walked away from it and got a job mowing fairways at a reputable club nearby while I worked on getting another Superintendent job. It was painful, but I was glad to not have to deal with those idiots any longer.
    It's very hard when you are the only one who cares.


    ;-) good that is the best thing to do, I bet we both hope we never have to again?
    Keith



  9. Virgil Range
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    3/18/2014 3:03 AM
    Thanks guys.Its getting better and better everyday. Yea right. Now I have to report the daily jobs and then find out what the job will be for tomorrow. This is unreal. 11 years in the business and never seen or worked in conditions like these. Good chance Ill be flipping burgers soon.
    I had a 100% secure job, every piece of equipment and awesome turf to come to this. LMAO!!
    I might be going to mow fairways also. Who knows.



  10. Steven Huffstutler
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    3/18/2014 5:03 AM
    Virgil Range said: Thanks guys.Its getting better and better everyday. Yea right. Now I have to report the daily jobs and then find out what the job will be for tomorrow. This is unreal. 11 years in the business and never seen or worked in conditions like these. Good chance Ill be flipping burgers soon.
    I had a 100% secure job, every piece of equipment and awesome turf to come to this. LMAO!!
    I might be going to mow fairways also. Who knows.


    Some people are not worthy of your time and effort.



  11. Anthony Nysse
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    3/18/2014 6:03 AM
    Virgil Range said: Thanks guys.Its getting better and better everyday. Yea right. Now I have to report the daily jobs and then find out what the job will be for tomorrow. This is unreal. 11 years in the business and never seen or worked in conditions like these. Good chance Ill be flipping burgers soon.
    I had a 100% secure job, every piece of equipment and awesome turf to come to this. LMAO!!
    I might be going to mow fairways also. Who knows.


    If that was the case, why change posts?



  12. Curtis Nickerson
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    3/18/2014 8:03 AM
    What was the reason you made the change from your last course to this one?



  13. James Smith
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    3/19/2014 1:03 PM
    My first guess would be a move up but apparantly someone forgot to look over the course first!

    Bet the owners gave him a load of Bull on what all they would be providing for him.



  14. Mark Van Lienden
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    3/20/2014 6:03 AM
    Virgil, is this a new course ?



  15. Virgil Range
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    3/21/2014 3:03 AM
    Nope not a new course. Its at least 25 yrd old. Yes i left a good job to advance my career. 18 hole, big property, semi private,bigger crew, more money, just thought it was an opportunity that would challenge me to get to the next level of management and become a better super. Well i got what i wanted then huh. I got myself a huge challenge. When i pull through this and get things back in shape, I feel that the gratification will be rewarding. There is only 1 way the course can go and that is up.

    I finally got some reels. And what a story this is. I turned into toro 5-8blade and 1-11 blade reels for repair estimate. These reels were horrible. No way were these reels used to cut any grass last year. Toro estimate was almost 5000 for repairs. WOW..that's not happening. Then i get a phone call from someone and this is where it gets fishy. I was offered a set of reels from him. Yes thanks so much. I get there and come to find out that the old super and him know each other. Hummm. ok no big deal right. He also gives me several new bed knives, screws, and about 10 bearing kits. again thanks so much. I get to the shop with the reels and right away I notice. 2 -11 blades and 1- 8 blade. well that adds up. 5+1=6 1+2=3. Then i start thinking about the parts that was given to me. Why the parts. Someone paid for those and it wasn't me. Something is not right here. Yesterday I got another set of reels and a verticut set from this same person. For some reason or another I feel and know that these are my reels. I'm getting the items that the owner said that was there and was not. So maybe the owner didn't feed me a line. There's so much missing that it had to walk out of this course and to another. 10 new red wire trash cans-Gone, new bunker rakes-gone..those items where purchased just a few months ago and they are no where to be found. Im still investigating. I have a gut feeling and it disappointing that this person might be involved with something thats not good. Maybe I should drop it and stop digging for answers but than again, my owner has paid 1000's in repairs last year and from my eyes and the equipment. Not 1 dollar was spent on the equipment. I personally think new parts and supplies have been walking out the door for a long time.
    Now we have a equipment inventory and maintenance log book. So machines and reels are recorded. Wish this would have been done years ago to verify if those reels are mine or not. Either way I was able to cut greens yesterday. 1 step, 1 day, and 1 challenge at a time. No dought I can and will get things in order. Just a little time is needed and oh yea money.. need some money to. LOL



  16. James Smith
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    4/5/2014 6:04 AM
    Virgil Range said: Nope not a new course. Its at least 25 yrd old. Yes i left a good job to advance my career. 18 hole, big property, semi private,bigger crew, more money, just thought it was an opportunity that would challenge me to get to the next level of management and become a better super. Well i got what i wanted then huh. I got myself a huge challenge. When i pull through this and get things back in shape, I feel that the gratification will be rewarding. There is only 1 way the course can go and that is up.

    I finally got some reels. And what a story this is. I turned into toro 5-8blade and 1-11 blade reels for repair estimate. These reels were horrible. No way were these reels used to cut any grass last year. Toro estimate was almost 5000 for repairs. WOW..that's not happening. Then i get a phone call from someone and this is where it gets fishy. I was offered a set of reels from him. Yes thanks so much. I get there and come to find out that the old super and him know each other. Hummm. ok no big deal right. He also gives me several new bed knives, screws, and about 10 bearing kits. again thanks so much. I get to the shop with the reels and right away I notice. 2 -11 blades and 1- 8 blade. well that adds up. 5+1=6 1+2=3. Then i start thinking about the parts that was given to me. Why the parts. Someone paid for those and it wasn't me. Something is not right here. Yesterday I got another set of reels and a verticut set from this same person. For some reason or another I feel and know that these are my reels. I'm getting the items that the owner said that was there and was not. So maybe the owner didn't feed me a line. There's so much missing that it had to walk out of this course and to another. 10 new red wire trash cans-Gone, new bunker rakes-gone..those items where purchased just a few months ago and they are no where to be found. Im still investigating. I have a gut feeling and it disappointing that this person might be involved with something thats not good. Maybe I should drop it and stop digging for answers but than again, my owner has paid 1000's in repairs last year and from my eyes and the equipment. Not 1 dollar was spent on the equipment. I personally think new parts and supplies have been walking out the door for a long time.
    Now we have a equipment inventory and maintenance log book. So machines and reels are recorded. Wish this would have been done years ago to verify if those reels are mine or not. Either way I was able to cut greens yesterday. 1 step, 1 day, and 1 challenge at a time. No dought I can and will get things in order. Just a little time is needed and oh yea money.. need some money to. LOL


    What a situation you have. If or when you get a chance you need to take pictures of everything in your shop including your equipment and its reels. Just document everything. Not only will it give you a base line to work from but as you find more things missing you will have the proof that it was not there when you got there. You probably have already told the owner of your suspicions and if not you should. At least he might understand why you do not have anything to work with.

    Good luck, and you were right. it will be very rewarding once you get it back into shape, I know I had a similar experience when I started here 20 years ago. Not too many of my members that would not fight for me and my position today. Just stay humble through it all.



  17. Virgil Range
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    4/15/2014 3:04 AM
    At the Interview I was told that I get 100% of the revenue from the driving range for my yearly bonus.

    I was recently told that I have to spend my own money to fix the picker, purchase tokens for the ball dispenser and purchase the ball dispenser for 100.00 from the owner. This was never mentioned one time during the interview or hiring process. Just like everything else I was told something and no finding out something else.

    What would you do? Invest about 1000.00 for signage, new ball picker, tokens and machine. Or just keep it like it is and not invest anything. I am guaranteed 2500.00 but I decided to give 1000.00 to my assistant for a yearly bonus. He was not offered one from the owners so I decided to give some of mine to him. I needed a qualified assistant and had to do what i had to do to get him here. I had not 1 person with golf course experience.

    I feel that there is an opportunity to make some money with the range but then how do I know that I'm getting every dollar that comes in.

    Thanks for the advice Again!!!!

    Just looking for some more advice.



  18. Steve Nelson
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    4/15/2014 7:04 AM
    Well, if I was promised 100% of the range revenue, I would make @#$% sure that range was fully operational. The first thing I would do is put a token dispenser next to the range machine and remove tokens from the pro shop. That would ensure you are getting the revenue. Good luck Virgil. PS, under the circumstances, giving some of your bonus to the assistant might just qualify you for sainthood.



  19. Steven Huffstutler
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    4/15/2014 1:04 PM
    If you don't get a contract in writing, it doesn't mean a thing. Even if you do get it writing, you have to be willing to sue.



  20. Virgil Range
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    4/16/2014 4:04 AM
    The range is 100% operational. Partitions, bad holders, balls and divit mix. well just sand-asked for 25lbs of Bermuda seed for tees, got turned down. guess 150.00 for 25lbs is not worth it. I see it different with a absolute must for seed and sand mix especially the par 3's and range tee. Again Im being told how to do my job. I cant even put seed down. LOL.

    I was told to spray the weeds around the clubhouse and entrance because they look bad. I agree but i have no hand sprayer to spray them. The owner seems to think that if weeds are around the clubhouse it looks we are are not doing anything to improve the course. I told him that what does a golfer remember, weeds at the clubhouse or good greens. He said its the perception of things. I said how about go put on your greens and tell me your perception.

    They owners have not played golf 1 time and have been on the course 2 times in 2 months and it was just a drive around. And then i get a text sat saying that he is worried about the greens and water. LMAO!! my exact words"When i start worrying about the greens thats when u should. Until then relax."

    I really got myself into a mess here. A huge mess. Again im not stopping doing what I do. I know that I am very good at what I do and will continue to improve on my skills. Maybe one day ill be at a course that I can use my skills and knowledge to the fullest. Until then, its Day by day.



  21. Ronald Conard
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    4/16/2014 11:04 AM
    This cannot end well.

    But keep your chin up, amigo.



  22. James Smith
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    4/16/2014 1:04 PM
    Capt. I disagree. this can only end good. After what he is going through he will have sooo much more experience he will almost qualify to be a genius! I bet he will never walk into another deal like this one! He is learning to do something with nothing and I know from experience how valuable that lesson is! He is learning perseverance which is also very valuable. He is also learning how not to trust owners. His next position will no doubt be much better then this one so he still will have a lot to look forward to.



  23. Joe Wachter
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    5/12/2014 9:05 PM
    Virgil,

    First supt job I had a single person owner. Course closed down a few years ago. Owner came out about 10-11 and would ride around in a golf cart and use his recorder so his staff could type us memos of what he reported. I think I received 52 one day. We had to respond back. One word answers were ok. NO, No, No, oK, will try, yes threw him a bone every once in a while. Sometimes these were one liners like pick up the cup on the side of the lake at #8. Or a few lines, why do we have to buy fertilizer for the fairways? Yes one of those. Even though he drove you crazy, he was very complimentary as well. He liked the fluff. Owned a hotel with themed rooms. Tarzan, Etc. Had decent equipment which helped.

    Have not really kept up with the thread but there are many of us that have been through a pretty tough working environment. I left this job after 3 years for a landscape construction company and after a month, wished I had never left the course. Owner was abusive and just flat out dumb. We were in a management meeting one day and he said we needed to have training sessions with the guys on how to properly dispose of trash on the lot. I mentioned maybe we needed to worry about the 250 customers who were complaining about shoddy work or work not completed from the previous fall and winter, or the work we agreed to do but had no record. The landscape manager had a board with 250 little pieces of paper with all the people that had contacted him in the last few months about unfilled jobs. I was crap to him then after my comment. About a month later, had a tractor trailer load of milorganite outside. Saw thunder storms in a distance, was afraid I was going to have a pile of crappy mess so right near dark after a 15 hour day, I was off loading the tractor trailer into a covered building. He lived on property and came out from the shadows and said I was abusing the equipment. At the beginning of the day he cursed me out in front of the staff on the lot. Should have decked him but needed the job so he thought I was taking it out on equipment. Had skidded the tires but it was from lack of experience operating equipment.

    I guess long story short, make the best of what you have. Work hard and do what you know to do. Be concerned about first impressions even though we know that is not necessarily the heart and soul of the operation. Sounds like fluff is ahead of substance in your situation. In the end, a new situation will come around that can utilize your talents properly.



  24. Virgil Range
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    5/14/2014 3:05 PM
    It's getting worse day by day. I thought I was making headway last week with the equipment but yesterday I went backwards and now back to square 1. I got a pile of junk and can't get anything to run properly. Was told i have to let another employee go. So that will put me at 4 guys for 18 holes. Still no work on the irrigation. I really don't see any improvements for the future. So I asked what is your 5 yr plan for the course. The answer I got was this "Annual Growth with increased market share, making sound financial decisions that the course can sustain and maintain annually on its own accord. Eliminate all crisis management. Grow mgrs. that can continue to grow the business based on the same principles of the other successful companies I have. If the market share is achieved, history will repeat itself and you will see the same courses that closed, re-opened, sold, foreclosed all happen again within the next 5 years. This will open other opportunities again, you will probably see these courses Go for sale at deep discounts. "Where does this benefit me and how is this going to improve my skills to become a super that provides a great golf course for golfers to enjoy. That's not the plan, I guess it never was. So misdirected from the start is pathetic. I had a great job, a great course, great equipment and was enjoying my career. I left to better myself, my skills, make life better for my family but most of all I took this job because I saw a course that needed major help and the ownership lead me to believe he wanted a good golf course and I know I can provide that with the information I was told before accepting the position. I didn't have to leave Maryville but decided to leave to improve my quality of life. Knowing what I know now, I know it was just a sales pitch to get me here. It's so wrong it hurts my heart and pride. With things getting worse and not better I don't know how much more I can take. Nightly crying before bed must stop and I think the only way that's going to stop is for me to leave. I really hate to think that because I kind of feel like I'm failing and I don't fail. But this is a little different. I've been looking and sending resumes out. Does anyone know of jobs that are open that are not posted on GCSAA or TurfNet? I'm even thinking about going back to an assistant. Yep it's that bad but I don't want to lose my passion for this career. I would have to think there's not to many supers out there that have the passion I do. I guess that's why I'm so down. Some would say ok that's less work I got to do but that's not me. All I want is to work on a course that wants quality turf. 3 months ago I had that. Wow how fast things have changed for the bad. 



  25. Trevor Monreal
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    5/15/2014 12:05 PM
    Wow Virgil, I feel for you.
    It sounds like this "mess" is really taking a toll on you and I'm sure...your family.
    As it is, this "lifestyle" we call a job is tough on both our physical and mental health.
    Remember, our "job" does not make us who we are and it sounds like you are a better man than this job.
    For now, all I have is my prayers.
    Best to you and your family.



  26. James Smith
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    5/29/2014 10:05 AM
    Sorry to put this blankly to you but it is the same thing I tell my workers,

    When you get up in the morning and tell yourself, man I do not want to go into that mess this morning. and it is done continually, it is time to change your job. If you do not look forward to going into work then leave, pick up and mnove. take a position in a different line of work temporaryly.



  27. Virgil Range
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    6/2/2014 4:06 AM
    I asked why he hired me and this is what i get.

    "Because ,you had the passion the drive and expressed you would do whatever it took to succeed.
    That goes way father than any degree, license, certificate, job experience, any text book answer. At least in my book it does."


    Nothing about being a superintendent or fixing the course or being a manager. I was told at hiring that I am the general manager. I asked when the general manager duties will start and I get this answer.

    "When the course gets back on its feet an see it can survive on its own, I would gladly give your more responsibility. "

    WTF... this will never happen as long as I cant fix or improve the condition of the course.

    As of yesterday I am no longer a member of GCSAA so I don't know how much longer Ill be able to long in. I turned in my renewal application over 3 weeks ago and it hasn't been paid yet. Just another promise the ownership promised that is not being fulfilled.

    My resume is going out on a daily basis. Anyone know of a job thats not posted on here or turfnet? If so let me know. Id like to apply for it.

    Virgil



  28. Virgil Range
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    6/20/2014 2:06 PM
    Well all i can say is wow. Today is payday. Opened it up and i was short because i took last thur off. It had no call no show on my pay stub. Really!!!! I called my assistant and let him know and gave him the plan of the day. 1 day off in 4 months and i get my pay taken away. Last week they changed the locks on the door and still haven't given me a key but my assistant has one. So I show up in the mornings and sit outside the clubhouse and wait for him to get there so i can go inside. Really!!!! Can they do that. Just take my pay away because i took a day off. I don't believe this.
    I just don't know what to do anymore. I cant quit because i need money..who doesn't right.. But i guess
    I'm not the super anymore. No communication with owners or pro staff- anything i ask or plan they talk to my assistant about, I'm not able to give the crew start times, end times, job duties, well just about anything really.
    All I've done is do my job. Everyday a golfer or member comes up and says you have this place in the best shape its ever been in 25 yrs. The course has started to get good reviews on Golf Now. Play is up and its still not good enough. I'm even getting letters from members saying things are the best ever.
    Soon enough i will be leaving and going to a job that wants a good course and respects me for my knowledge and work ethic. That day cant come fast enough because of how they treat me. Just earlier this week I got the reels grinned for the 1st time in years. I spent 60.00 in gas, 180 miles, and 4 hrs drive time of my own to get them done and not a thanks, or good job, or anything. No way in the world do I or anyone else deserve the treatment they have given me the past 4 months. Some say that good things will happen because of who I am and what I do. I agree but nobody should have to go through what Ive gone through for good things to happen. It did happen, with an opportunity that has great possibilities. Just hope I can hang in there until that time comes.



  29. James Smith
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    6/27/2014 10:06 AM
    I would assume you are on Salary. If so they cannot dock you a days pay! If not then you should be making a lot of Overtime right?

    Sounds like the writing is on the wall! sorry the hear that after everything you have been through. I would set up a meeting with the owner ASAP and find out exactly where you stand and why the bad treatment all of the sudden. Is someone going behind your back? I can not understand how your assisstant gets a key but not you! Why not take your assisstants key and get a copy made?

    It really sounds like this guy sees that he has just about used you up and is getting ready for the next fool to come in. just another way to save money!.

    Good Luck, Time to move on!



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