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  1. Hector Velazquez
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    12/10/2013 7:12 PM
    If you think E 10 fuel is cheap enough to use in your small equipment, You might be paying for it in the long run!

    Also, E 15 is illegal to run in Outdoor Power Equipment!

    Check out this video of a news broadcast.

    http://www.woodtv.com/news/local/kent-c ... ne-trouble



  2. Andy Jorgensen
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    12/11/2013 5:12 AM
    Thanks Hector.

    When we switched over to 10% Ethanol a few years back, we noticed right away that we would have issues. Just as the video posted, all of our small equipment - weedeaters, stick edgers, blowers, sod cutters, etc... - starting having issues. Fuel lines breaking down, rubber grommets on the fuel tanks themselves falling apart, carbs trashing up, and lots of spittering and sputtering. Likewise, we also noticed a HUGE problem with our fleet of Ford F-250 trucks. We run about 15 of those out here and every one of them had an issues. Seemed to be isolated to the F-250, as none of our Rangers or F-150s were compromised. And yes, we have a few Chevy's that were fine, too. We're talking lots of filter changes, pump intake filter changes (which required dropping the tank) and a few fuel pump problems from the clogged filters. Although we have filtration and a fuel/water separator on our storage tanks, it appeared the Ethanol was cleaning the inside of the vehicle's tank. We started adding an Ethanol treatment to the tanks to buy us some time until either 1) our vendor could start servicing us with non-Ethanol, or 2) we switched to someone who could. This worked somewhat on our bigger tanks, but we still had issues with the smaller equipment. We eventually switched vendors and are now paying about $.08 more per gallon for non-Ethanol since the vendor has to make a special trip just for us. For a company that goes through about 100,000 gallons of unleaded a year, that $.08 adds up, but nothing compared to the downtime, labor, parts and headache of what we went through originally.



  3. Robert Crockett
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    12/11/2013 9:12 AM
    And the Gov. pays farmers to grow corn for this purpose when it could be used for feed. Just think what it does to our vehicles. Then on top of that we have to counteract the effects with fuel stabilizer. Just doesn't make much sense.



  4. Craig Moore
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    12/11/2013 9:12 AM
    Around Four years ago my fuel distributor had to stop selling zero ethanol 87 octane fuel. I could have purchased ethanol free premium but I decided not to after talking to my equipment manufactures and because of the price. Bad move on my part. The very first tank of ethanol blended fuel broke down the internal components of our very old pump and sent those tiny particles right into our tanks. The result was 75 crippled golf carts and an entire fleet of turf equipment out of service. We had to change every fuel filter two or three times that season and remove and clean at least 75% of those carbs. (some multiple times).
    The screen filter on the tank was not small enough to filter out the particles so we added an addition filter system to the tank. Problem solved....No
    The next spring was more of the same, the particles settled to the bottom of the tank over the winter months and was sucked up into the fuel filter (in mass quantities) as the equipment was started up for the first time of the season. All new fuel filters again and this time we cleaned out many of the tanks when we cleaned the carbs.
    We now change fuel filters at least 2-3 times a year on the equipment, before I only did it as needed and looking back at the equipment files most were on the original fuel filter before the nightmare began. We let the fuel filters sit and dry out before we discharge them and what we noticed is a white/yellowish powder in all of them. I wonder what that is.
    Now onto our 2-cycle equipment. I have so many seasonal issues with them since the switch we don' even spend more than a few minutes looking at them any more. I just bring them right down to the experts (our distributor) to perform the work. The exhaust screens clog up with carbon, the fuel lines are shot, filters clogged, the primer bulbs are disintegrated and we have replaced at least 5 carburetors. Out of six backpack blowers and six trimmers there is always one down at any given point during the season because of fuel related problems. They are amazed at the increase in their repair business. They also keep a vial of the white/yellowish powder collected from carburetors on their service desk for customers to look at.



  5. Henry Heinz
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    12/11/2013 6:12 PM
    You guys that are having so many issues may want to check with your fuel suppliers. I been in Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania, back to Florida, and South Carolina, and I've never had any issues. In 08 the biggest problem I had was a few Welch plugs on a few Stihl blowers. My Yamaha V-max sat with fuel in it for nearly 7 months, and all I did was start it up every so often and never a problem. Maybe lucky, and not the smart thing to do I know, but I think a lot has to do with where fuel is purchased from. Newer stations, and full supply facilities are going to provide a cleaner blend of fuel. Older companies will have that cleaning effect, causing poor quality of product to be delivered to your facility, or vehicle. Check your tanks weekly for water/moisture. Keep filters changed on fuel tanks monthly, and maybe double the filtration on your fuel tanks. Also change your hoses on your fuel pumps as the weather and sun will cause them to deteriorate, mainly uncovered fuel pads. Just my thoughts.

    Regards,



  6. Andy Jorgensen
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    12/11/2013 7:12 PM
    Skip,

    Our fuel comes straight from the Port of Tampa where the majority of fuel comes in from the refineries in the Gulf. Often, it is delivered directly to us. With two deliveries a week of about 1,000 gallons each, very rarely will our fuel be more than seven days old. t's not the water that is killing us. It's the cleaning affect the ethanol has on the inside of the tank, and the issues with ethanol breaking down rubber components in the fuel system, causing these items to cause the issues.

    On our storage tanks, We have double filtration, seven year old steel tanks and covers over them. We check for water monthly and have never found it in our tanks. As a company with over 1,000 engines on property and an estimated 25% of them had issues within the first six weeks of switching to ethanol, I can confidently say the fuel was the problem. As soon as we switched to non-ethanol, the problems disappeared.

    We went as far as having the fuel checked by a third party lab. It checked out fine and within spec. Within about ten days of the first major issues, we even had the vendor come suck our tanks and deliver a fresh batch, thinking we got a bad load. We continued having the issues until we switched to non-ethanol. We had originally been with that supplier for about five years. Hated ending a good relationship over the new requirements, but unfortunately they had no market for non-ethanol besides us. New supplier does.



  7. Steven Huffstutler
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    12/12/2013 6:12 PM
    Hmmm....we get topped off weekly. Used to have 20 year old temporary tanks, now have a convault and I have never had these problems.

    Steve



  8. Henry Heinz
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    12/13/2013 5:12 AM
    Steve, that's good to hear!! I was beginning to think I was the only one with no real issues from this fuel:)



  9. Jon Gansen
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    12/20/2013 9:12 AM
    Being a municipal course in Iowa we are mandated to use E-10. I have used in all gas equipment for several years. Everything at my home from weed eater, snowblower( no carb problems 13 years)motorcycle, snowmobile to vehicles. I have had no problems. In fact it is used in a 1970 John Deere tractor loader. One thing I have noticed is in the 96 Polaris and 98 Ski-doo
    each year I pull the carbs to make sure they are ready to go, absolutely no sludge or varnish. (never use any stabilizer) I know we have talked of climate before but the snowmobiles sit all summer in very hot and humid weather and were not used last winter and run fine on the gas that I filled them up on a year ago.
    One question though who has seen stabil turn into a gummy sludge if put in something stored over the summer.



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