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Article "The Augusta Syndrome Revisited"

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  1. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    5/12/2012 11:05 AM
    I'm guessing I could have put this in a few different threads but thought this was as good as any.

    I was catching up on my magazine reading and in the April 2, 2012 Golf World, (I know I'm a little behind) Geoff Shackelford wrote an article about "The Augusta Syndrome Revisited" I tried to click on the story on the Golf World website but it wouldn't open the story up for me, so I can't post it for you all to read and I'm danged sure not going to type it all out, but those that have read it, or would just like to comment themselves, I would be curious of everyones thoughts.

    In the article Mr. Shackelford writes that "the syndrome might be dead, thanks to a combo of reasons, but not limited to the talents of superintendents, our current economic malaise, a recent embrace of links-inspired rustic golf and advancements made by Augusta National becoming part of the everyday superintendent's grass growing arsenal" The writer makes mention of the many technological advancements, some pioneered at Augusta and may others inspired by Masters conditions, all the bells and whistles that have become everyday tools we all use. It is also stated that educational efforts to the golfing public by the USGA and even the PGA tour with changes in course set-ups has also helped in changing golfers perceptions. He also mentions what has helped is the restoration of older designs and the introduction of ultradwarf bermuda grass greens. Mr. Shackelford did interview some superintendents for the story and one mentioned that "I sense there is more understanding from golfers of what a strain high speeds put on the greens heading into summer and maybe more of an understanding that some of the things Augusta does would be silly for us to be trying in this economy".

    The one thing I wish was mentioned in the article was GCSAA and their educational efforts and networking opportunities, although the GIS show was mentioned in the article "At last month's surprisingly upbeat Golf Industry Show in Las Vegas, superintendents and suppliers gathered for educational seminars,".

    Thanks, Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  2. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    5/12/2012 3:05 PM
    Mel,

    Thanks for starting a great thread!

    This may not be the "exact" article that Mel is talking about, but it's what I found, and by the same author.

    http://www.golfdigestcanada.ca/courses- ... revisited/



  3. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    5/12/2012 3:05 PM
    Thanks Jeff, that is pretty much the same article.

    How can you do that from China and I can't do it from the US?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  4. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    5/12/2012 4:05 PM
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  5. Robert Crockett
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    4 posts
    5/12/2012 8:05 PM
    :D :roll:



  6. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    5/12/2012 9:05 PM
    Sorry Mel,

    Let's start this over. Without the hijacks. This is too good of a topic.



  7. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    5/13/2012 4:05 AM
    I'm not convinced that the syndrome is dead. I have gotten my greens to the point that the Sawgrass greens are in the past. They putted beautifully and were plenty healthy, but the members could not get past the color and I finally gave up and I have been keeping them greener and slower ever since. Maybe a sophisticated, low handicap segment of the golfing public understands the situation, but I would submit that the vast majority of them want green grass and lots of it.

    Regards from this side of the pond

    Steve



  8. Steven Kurta
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    2 posts
    5/13/2012 11:05 AM
    I've done my part by not using or talking about the stimp for the past several years and no one has called me on it. Greens are 9.5-10.5 depending on moisture levels. I was just asked yesterday morning what they're running at. I said something like, "I have no idea, I've gotten away from measuring things that way because it puts too much emphasis on such a small part of what makes a green good".
    I told them I putt everyday and based on past experience that I know when they need to be faster or slower and make the proper adjustments to suit the days play -- or something, something, etc.
    They seemed to not hate the answer.



  9. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    5/13/2012 1:05 PM
    Interesting points being made here. Let's face it, 99% of the golfers in the world should be putting on an "8" green. After their first hole, they can adjust their putting stroke. Kurta doesn't stimp, but he could just as easily tell the members that they're rolling at 10.5 and they would believe it, even if they weren't rolling at that speed. I was at Huff's course a couple of years ago and the greens were perfect. As in, true and equal throughout the course. Isn't that what we are all trying to strive for as superintendents?

    I would also add that both "Steves" have an incredible rapport with both their membership, and upper management. However "upper management" is defined, and whatever challenges we face, having that rapport is crucial.

    True, the "Syndrome' is not dead. Yet. But it's getting there. Articles like the one Mel brought to our attention will only help in its demise. I have been very fortunate in my career, and have had the opportunity to meet superintendents and tour their golf courses, all over the world. I'm convinced that this Syndrome is an American distraction. There are local varieties in Africa, Asia, and South America that would cause some golfers to turn their nose up...just hearing the name, but they putt true.

    The golfer that signs their card with a 6 under will have a different opinion of the golf course than their partner, who may have signed a 12 over. Both played the same course, but the partner is angry. Why? Because they had a bad round, and it was the golf course's fault. Go figure.

    I've visited courses that had just applied Fe, in whatever formulation, and the golfers thought it was beautiful. However, the conditions were terrible, and the golfers never mentioned that. Right down the road, the superintendent had chosen not to apply Fe, so the color wasn't as striking, but the conditions were amazing. The golfers complained.

    I know this because I sometimes ask the superintendent if I can borrow a cart and just "cruise around". And I always tell them why.....I'm spying. I never met a superintendent yet that didn't allow me to do that. Maybe the golfers think I'm a marshal, or one of the staff, but golfers love to chat. Especially if you quietly come up on their group, while they're placing the clubs back in their bags, and say, "That was a beautiful shot!".

    Talk about opening the floodgates. Within 60 seconds I learn where they're from, and what they think of this particular golf course. Maybe the flattery had something to do with their answers, but why they choose to bitch in the clubhouse, but not on the course, I believe depends upon their scorecard.

    My apologies if I've said this before, but perception is everything. First, a congenial staff. No......employees should NOT be invisible. In fact, they can be a crucial tool in explaining why that other employee is trying to finish mowing that fairway so that they, the golfers, can continue on with a great day. Second, address your tee grounds. That is the only area where golfers are standing around and have the opportunity to "spot the ugly".....if there is an ugly.

    Third, if your greens are rolling consistently, at whatever speed, most won't look farther than 5 meters off the putting surface. They're watching their partners putt. Fairways and rough? Well...it's doubtful that any two golfers (tour pros excepted) will be hitting from the same part of the landing area.

    So, we return to color. Some species stripe easily, others require repeated mowing patterns in the same direction to achieve that striping. But man, green is cool. That's our job. What do you apply? Hey, you get to decide, after looking at whatever reports you've ordered. That's why you make the big money.

    But......clean up! A 12" high weed right beside a ballwasher is completely unacceptable. A one square meter bare spot in the fairway is "temporarily" okay.....as long as there are rake marks in it. That would be a "work in progress".

    We can't all work on a world-renowned golf course, but we can try and make sure the golfer is impressed, even modestly, with what they're seeing and that they're having a good time. Go ahead...lie to them. Say that WAS a beautiful shot.

    Good grief! Can someone tell me when to stop typing? Sorry, I'll do these in chapters next time.



  10. Steven Kurta
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    2 posts
    5/13/2012 3:05 PM
    The second part of why it works for me is because our greens perform the way the members think they should. They may not know the stimp number, and that's awesome, but most know that they don't know what it means anyhow. The USGA could call it a color for all it really means -- greens are rolling "mauve" today..
    They call them fast medium or slow. All of those descriptions are equally good. They reflect what's going on at that time. Greens CAN be "slow", and CAN be medium. As long as they understand why they change, and more importantly, that they MUST change as the conditions change. They "get" that it's a dynamic system.
    I'm proud of my members savvy and frankness. We have a contingent that plays all over the country and know what "fast" is, but they also know to relate it to geography, seasons, grass type, and weather conditions.
    I know I give them what they're looking for and keep the BS to a minimum. I think that's all they're looking for really. And to boil it down even further, all they really want is good communication.
    Anyone can get fast greens, but can you get along with the membership and do you understand what they're looking for? This will be my 13th year here and I still can't wait to get to work every day. Love my job.



  11. Robert Crockett
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    4 posts
    5/14/2012 7:05 AM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said: Interesting points being made here. Let's face it, 99% of the golfers in the world should be putting on an "8" green. After their first hole, they can adjust their putting stroke. Kurta doesn't stimp, but he could just as easily tell the members that they're rolling at 10.5 and they would believe it, even if they weren't rolling at that speed. I was at Huff's course a couple of years ago and the greens were perfect. As in, true and equal throughout the course. Isn't that what we are all trying to strive for as superintendents?

    I would also add that both "Steves" have an incredible rapport with both their membership, and upper management. However "upper management" is defined, and whatever challenges we face, having that rapport is crucial.

    True, the "Syndrome' is not dead. Yet. But it's getting there. Articles like the one Mel brought to our attention will only help in its demise. I have been very fortunate in my career, and have had the opportunity to meet superintendents and tour their golf courses, all over the world. I'm convinced that this Syndrome is an American distraction. There are local varieties in Africa, Asia, and South America that would cause some golfers to turn their nose up...just hearing the name, but they putt true.

    The golfer that signs their card with a 6 under will have a different opinion of the golf course than their partner, who may have signed a 12 over. Both played the same course, but the partner is angry. Why? Because they had a bad round, and it was the golf course's fault. Go figure.

    I've visited courses that had just applied Fe, in whatever formulation, and the golfers thought it was beautiful. However, the conditions were terrible, and the golfers never mentioned that. Right down the road, the superintendent had chosen not to apply Fe, so the color wasn't as striking, but the conditions were amazing. The golfers complained.

    I know this because I sometimes ask the superintendent if I can borrow a cart and just "cruise around". And I always tell them why.....I'm spying. I never met a superintendent yet that didn't allow me to do that. Maybe the golfers think I'm a marshal, or one of the staff, but golfers love to chat. Especially if you quietly come up on their group, while they're placing the clubs back in their bags, and say, "That was a beautiful shot!".

    Talk about opening the floodgates. Within 60 seconds I learn where they're from, and what they think of this particular golf course. Maybe the flattery had something to do with their answers, but why they choose to bitch in the clubhouse, but not on the course, I believe depends upon their scorecard.

    My apologies if I've said this before, but perception is everything. First, a congenial staff. No......employees should NOT be invisible. In fact, they can be a crucial tool in explaining why that other employee is trying to finish mowing that fairway so that they, the golfers, can continue on with a great day. Second, address your tee grounds. That is the only area where golfers are standing around and have the opportunity to "spot the ugly".....if there is an ugly.

    Third, if your greens are rolling consistently, at whatever speed, most won't look farther than 5 meters off the putting surface. They're watching their partners putt. Fairways and rough? Well...it's doubtful that any two golfers (tour pros excepted) will be hitting from the same part of the landing area.

    So, we return to color. Some species stripe easily, others require repeated mowing patterns in the same direction to achieve that striping. But man, green is cool. That's our job. What do you apply? Hey, you get to decide, after looking at whatever reports you've ordered. That's why you make the big money.

    But......clean up! A 12" high weed right beside a ballwasher is completely unacceptable. A one square meter bare spot in the fairway is "temporarily" okay.....as long as there are rake marks in it. That would be a "work in progress".

    We can't all work on a world-renowned golf course, but we can try and make sure the golfer is impressed, even modestly, with what they're seeing and that they're having a good time. Go ahead...lie to them. Say that WAS a beautiful shot.

    Good grief! Can someone tell me when to stop typing? Sorry, I'll do these in chapters next time.

    Well Jeff....I respect,enjoy and take to heart your input....even though you razz me and I you. I know your a Top Notch Superintendent!! Thanks Mr. Wallace :P



  12. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    5/14/2012 9:05 AM
    Brown noser.



  13. Robert Crockett
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    4 posts
    5/14/2012 11:05 AM
    David McCallum said: Brown noser.

    Ouch David.....No Brown nose here ... just stating a fact...Didn't have anything to do with Jeff's personality :lol:



  14. McCallum David K
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    5/14/2012 1:05 PM
    And Jeffy (since only Pet can call you Mr Wallace or Jeffrey) the only purpose of your post was to TRY to write one longer than Ron did under Being a Superintendent. He beat you by 789 words.



  15. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    5/19/2012 6:05 PM
    I guess I should answer this post since I started it.

    I do feel as some of the syndrome had died down, or in some cases it's only the pro shops and pros along with some superintendents that keep the green speed issue going. That is my opinion though, and where it is being done, I want to say it is ego, and that would extend to members who have a say and/or pull. Hopefully I haven't offended anyone with that comment, but if the shoe fits....I know green speeds aren't the issue where I'm at now, and even at my last course which was a small university course, where we had some players and hosted tournaments. I have kept greens mowed at .156 at both places, watched my moisture levels, did basic grooming and topdressing and would get compliments about the greens. Not because they were fast, but because they were smooth (gosh that sounds like my ego talking, sorry.).

    Where I do feel some pressure is when things aren't perfect, "hey those bunkers could use more sand" "what's up with the dry spots on the ridge on # 5 green or the back of # 10?" (which is where the irrigation coverage is poor and our plans to add a head that should have been installed there in the first place, or placements should have been better when constructed, but I'm digressing). Which in turn I have to ask, well how am I suppose to fix that with the budget I have? I guess I can cut out a couple of applications on greens, (since the apps on everything else is below minimal or non-existing). I truly get frustrated that I'm not able to communicate, (some of it my own fault and other parts not being listened too, or going in one ear and out the other, or by the lack of having a standard to work toward and prioritize with the resources we have), that we are providing the best that we can with the resources.

    Overall I know our regular clientele are very happy with conditions for the most part, (well except when the bermuda on the tees have been beaten to death over a warm winter with extra play, "hey when will we have grass on the tees?" I tell them "June if the weather cooperates" they mumble some but when we have all the tees filled back in when we said we would, they are pretty happy. They don't care about green speeds, just smooth greens that have grass on them. Our play has been definitely up this past season, conditions playing some part maybe, more likely because we are an easy course to play, an easy course to walk, centrally located in our city, and hopefully because they see us working to maintain and make improvements and are nice to them.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  16. Robert Crockett
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    4 posts
    5/20/2012 7:05 AM
    Sounded like a good observation to me Mel. I have some of the same issues here at my course. Small town, low budget. More of what a Superintendent will sacrifice (extended hrs ect.) during the season to go above what budgetary standards will allow. My membership understands and are happy to have the course in respectable condition considering our low budget and personnel. Our greens are green and smooth and the mentality here is that's Good!! We do more than we can with what we don't have and it's appreciated here and I would rather be of service to these people than some others.



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