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  1. Stephen Johnson
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    6/7/2014 1:06 PM
    I have developed issues with the mating of my reels and bedknife after a new grinding. With the desired amount of contact achieved between the 2 freshly ground surfaces each end of the reel will not cut... i have checked all adjustments repeatedly....checked for parts wearing out as well. I have a Foley United ACCU-master reel grinder and ACCU-pro bedknife grinder. What am i missing....?



  2. Wahlin Scott B
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    6/7/2014 3:06 PM
    You're not going to like this answer, but it is the answer. The bedknives sometimes need to be shimmed. Many times reels come from the factory this way. Back off on the 1-2 outside bedknife screws and put a piece of newspaper folded in half between the bedbar and bedknife, and retighten the screws. It does not sound good, but it will work.



  3. Dinger Greg
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    6/7/2014 5:06 PM
    What cutting units are you dealing with? This info may help too.



  4. Wahlin Scott B
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    6/7/2014 11:06 PM
    On older Ransomes Reels there was a cable that ran across the back behind the roller. Everyone thought it was a scraper. In reality it was a crucial engineering input to keep the reel square. People removed them or failed to replace them and the reel could not be squared up without it.



  5. Stephen Johnson
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    6/8/2014 7:06 AM
    Greg Dinger said: What cutting units are you dealing with? This info may help too.


    The units are on a toro 5160 reel master. These are also not the first time the reels and bedknives have been mated (not new bedknives). They setup and cut just fine the last time... A medium backlapping session has fixed each one but i havent had to do this extra step before.



  6. Roland McPhearson
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    6/8/2014 11:06 AM
    First determine if it's the the reel edge or bedknife that is not straight. You will need a precision straight edge for this. Back the bedknife away from the reel and rest the straight edge on the front of the bedknife. Lightly press the straight edge against the reel and check for gaps between the straight edge and the reel blades on each end. More than .001-.002" is unacceptable. If there are no gaps then your bedknife is the problem.



  7. Dinger Greg
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    6/8/2014 12:06 PM
    I'm assuming these are DPA's. Make sure you're not overtightening the jam nuts on the pivots, as this can cause some frown or smile to the knife. Also, verify you are grinding a "true cylinder" so you're not putting unnecessary twist into the bedbar when adjusting it to the reel. Verify the top and face specs for the bedknife, but also, if you have any reel or bedknife wear, don't be afraid to knock an extra degree or two off the top angle, for instance if spec is 5 degrees, maybe 6 will provide some relief. Some of these bedknives are thicker than the shoe they mount to, and tend to rock back on the grinder if it has magnets. You may need a shim (I use wood) to hold it up so that your angles are truly referenced of of the bedknife itself. Also, if these are Edgemax bedknives, I like to spend some time deburing them after grinding with a wood block. Lately though, I've been finishing with the top angle, then using a bedknife buddy on the face to debur it. A flat file will work too, just use caution as that material rolls off in splinters and will go right in without asking. Last thing comes to mind is the grinding procedure itself. Verify the stone is coming all the way off the reel and/or bedknife before it stops to change direction, both machines.



  8. Henry Heinz
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    6/9/2014 6:06 AM
    What grinders are you using? It is possible that one is out of calibration. Bed-bars and knives are not true surfaces and grinding them on an accurate grinder should eliminate the need for any shims. I had to do the shims years ago, but the bedknife grinder was out. It was a new unit and no one could get it adjusted so the company just replaced it and we never had an issue again. Just a FYI, that model grinder was discontinued. I use sip grinders now, and I check my calibration a couple times a year on both units, the reel and bedknife grinders and we never have any issues.



  9. Christian Pekarek
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    6/9/2014 7:06 AM
    Have you dressed your grinding stones lately?



  10. Dru Clark
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    6/9/2014 6:06 PM
    Did you over torque the bed bar mounting bolts causing the bed bar to twist? Oops I just saw this was already mentioned.



  11. Stephen Johnson
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    6/13/2014 10:06 AM
    Thank you to all who posted, i have identified and remedied my issues.



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