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Quick Silver program for moss

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  1. Jeffrey Sexton
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    9/4/2014 8:09 PM
    Guys,

    I have new moss appearing on my greens. What is the quick silver program for removal?

    Jeff Sexton
    Evansville CC



  2. Robert Searle
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    9/5/2014 6:09 AM
    Jeff,

    I think the label calls for 6.7oz/acre. I didn't want to go at that rate so I went at 2oz/ac every two weeks and made 5 consecutive apps. In conjunction with bi-weekly verticutting and topdressing, I've taken out probably 95% of the moss.



  3. Keith Pegg
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    9/6/2014 10:09 PM
    Jeffrey Sexton said: Guys,

    I have new moss appearing on my greens. What is the quick silver program for removal?

    Jeff Sexton
    Evansville CC


    I do 3ozA every 4 weeks about 9 moths out of the year. Very little moss comes in now.

    Keith



  4. Michael Posey
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    10/18/2014 7:10 AM
    7oz/A. 100 GPA water volume. Three apps on two week interval. Then, if it continues to be a problem gowith a maintenance program like the ones mentioned above.



  5. Matthew Noble
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    1/9/2015 7:01 PM
    We had been spraying 2oz every two weeks for the last few years. Last year conditions here really favored moss development and after a week the moss would start turning green again. We went up to a 3oz rate every week for a few weeks and went back to biweekly apps when we saw it was staying knocked down and started using Sync fungicide activator. Made all the difference, I really believe the key to better control is including the Sync.



  6. Chad Graaf
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    1/14/2015 8:01 AM
    Matthew,

    I am basically on the same spray cycle you are with quicksilver, we spray sync with all are tanks except quicksilver tank. My question is how much sync do you use with the quicksilver app? Thanks

    Chad



  7. Christopher Thuer
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    1/14/2015 11:01 AM
    7 oz/a every 2 weeks on Pennlinks all season, April to October. Mixed with the 14 day fungicide/fertility/growth regulator/etc aps. With Sync at 1 bottle/100 gallons. Much better control with Sync. No harm to bent except when I applied Bensumec too soon once after last quicksilver ap.

    Trying a new strategy 2015 to try to reduce costs. 5.3 oz rate April and May. 2.6 oz the rest of the year.

    No more Bensumec. Sucks as the 22 year old greens are still nearly poa free.

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

  8. Matthew Noble
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    1/14/2015 7:01 PM
    Chad Graaf said: Matthew,

    I am basically on the same spray cycle you are with quicksilver, we spray sync with all are tanks except quicksilver tank. My question is how much sync do you use with the quicksilver app? Thanks

    Chad


    Chad - We use 1 pint Sync / 100 gal.



  9. Melvin Waldron
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    1/15/2015 9:01 AM
    I know this will sound stupid (because I am), but I have a question.

    What is the issue that causes these moss issues? I've been around the business for 40 years and been an assistant or superintendent for 26 years from Florida to New Jersey to Indiana, and now in Missouri and I have never had a moss problem. Never have had an algae problem either. I'm sure I was told back in the day in school, just wonder if I'm just lucky, (although I know that answer, I'm the luckist SOB around) or is it something I'm doing and I want to make sure I keep doing it.

    Sorry to hi-jack and take this thread in a different direction.

    Thanks!

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  10. Melvin Waldron
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    1/15/2015 3:01 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: I know this will sound stupid (because I am), but I have a question.

    What is the issue that causes these moss issues? I've been around the business for 40 years and been an assistant or superintendent for 26 years from Florida to New Jersey to Indiana, and now in Missouri and I have never had a moss problem. Never have had an algae problem either. I'm sure I was told back in the day in school, just wonder if I'm just lucky, (although I know that answer, I'm the luckist SOB around) or is it something I'm doing and I want to make sure I keep doing it.

    Sorry to hi-jack and take this thread in a different direction.

    Thanks!

    Mel


    After going into the archives, I think I know why I haven't seen it, we mow at .156, keep the fertility up some, and try to stay on a topdressing and verticut or spiking program along with regular aerifications?

    And I'm still lucky too, that is for sure.

    Am I close?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  11. Matthew Noble
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    1/15/2015 4:01 PM
    I've also been told by sales reps that the heavy metal fungicides that are no longer available from the past were also very good at controling moss. We topdress, aerify, needle tine and spike greens and rely on wetting agents and we still always have a spot on a green somwhere.



  12. Jeffrey Sexton
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    1/15/2015 4:01 PM
    Mel,

    Your hoc is a big part. I have also never had a problem when managing greens that are mowed with a rider. Walk mowed greens seem to be more susceptible to moss. Even the new walk mowers with floating heads haven't changed the walk mower mystery with moss.

    Jeff Sexton
    Evansville CC



  13. Christopher Thuer
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    1/15/2015 6:01 PM
    I have had to do a lot of work on moss as the current course had a severe problem on the greens when I arrived 13 years ago.

    I have also seen moss on courses all across the country, all budget levels, and on greens with higher heights of cut that putted old dog slow. I have seen moss on greens that looked perfectly healthy and on greens in full sun and dry and firm.

    There is probably a combination of several factors working together, most commonly those practices implemented to increase ball roll numbers like lowering fertility and lowering hoc. But other factors contribute too like: topdressing sand selection, infrequent aeration, moisture levels, etc.

    In our situation, it is reported, but unconfirmed as there are no records, that before my time they didn't aerate the greens for several years. They had also been using a really fine sand for many years for topdressing to make it easier to brush into the canopy. This resulted in about a +1" layer of fine sand and high organic matter levels over the top of the USGA root zone mix. During that time it was in vogue to use the finer sands for that reason. The result was that the greens would not perc and water would sit on the greens for hours after a rain, even as little as 1/2 inch, if we didn't get the squeegees out. That top layer would also stay saturated for a long time. Their focus had also been speed at all cost and the course had a reputation for having the fastest greens in the Central Indiana area. Fertility levels had been kept low as well as the HOC. All this resulted in many greens that had large sections that had more moss than bentgrass. Other greens were covered in ball mark size moss spots. When the greens would puddle after a rain, moss spores would float and the wind would blow the spores to the edges of the puddles leaving piles of spores after the water would drain.

    We began a monthly 1/4" solid tine aeration which immediately helped with the water perc issue and we haven't used roller squeegees since. We also resumed core aeration and filling the holes with the proper sized sand. We have been on a monthly aggressive verticutting program as well to try to get the organic matter under control. This past year we solid deep tined for the first time. All this is helping but chemical controls are still needed.

    To begin the moss elimination we tried two chemical controls, Terracyte and Junction. Quicksilver was not yet available. Terracyte worked but as a granular, and the need to nearly blanket every green, it was going to be too labor intensive to apply. Junction, at the time sold by Griffen, was not labeled for moss and their regional rep is our pro's neighbor. We worked on a moss control protocol that ended up nearly wiping out the moss. There is a powerpoint somewhere in the GCSAA archives from a presentation I did as part of the Innovative Supt Session in Atlanta that shows the timing and rates.

    We also began adding extra magnesium with our increased fertility program as I read somewhere that low levels could encourage moss.

    The problem with Junction is that the high rate needed spiked the copper levels in the root zone mix. We saw no turf health issue but stopped the program after 2 years and about 90% control.

    We have been on that Quicksilver program since, 7oz/a, every 2 weeks.

    Last year I did get the sprayable Terracyte and applied with a hand sprayer. It worked well but depending on how much moss there is it can be labor intensive.

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

  14. Christopher Thuer
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    1/15/2015 7:01 PM
    Jeff, the greens were triplexed, although very low, before I started. We walked the greens from about year 2 until about 3 years ago when budget cuts reduced our staff to not enough to walk any more, and have been triplexing since.

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

  15. Grall Austin D
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    2/3/2015 6:02 AM
    .154 oz/M does the trick for us. We have mounds that tend to get worn on by the mowers, we apply as needed. Usually with the first app we see moss control. If it is severe we would make another app two weeks later. great control



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